Criticizing Jones' resume

Your biased rants are getting desperate now.


Why have you laughed at Liles?

One minute you're criticising Roy for not unifying and taking on challenges, and now you're laughing at Liles?

You need to make your mind up.

Liles was a huge southpaw and the WBA, SMW champ. He'd beaten Littles, Sosa and Nunn etc.

But now you're laughing at him?

He was a far more dangerous fighter than Roch.


Roy needed the Calzaghe money?

Did he?

So he didn't fight him to try and win, just because he was broke?

Roy fought Joe at almost 40, yet feared Roch and Dariusz?


Now you're saying he only fought Tarver because he figured he'd be easy? Ha! After burning muscle from HW?


Toney was drained? And Roy knew that when he challenged him?


Hopkins was unknown? What about in 2010 for the rematch? Roy was coming off of a loss to Danny Green, yet he fought him again. Funny, seeing as he always took the easy path.


Dariusz knocked out Hall twice? Wow! What a great achievement after Roy had smashed him. Also, why the hell did he fight him TWICE?


Ruiz sucked?

This is where you let yourself down so badly.

You discredit the Ruiz win, and then criticise him for not fighting Nunn, Dariusz and Roch.

Why?

It doesn't make an ounce of sense.

Just think before you type.

In 97, Roy was 28, and Nunn was faded at that point. He was fighting B class opposition, and then he lost to Roch.

In 2000, Roy was 31, and Roch was a good fighter. But he'd lost twice to Maske, he beat a faded Nunn, and then he lost to Dariusz.

In 2001, Roy was 32, and Dariusz was also a good fighter. But his best wins had been against Hill, Griffin and Roch. His resume wasn't great, and neither was he really.

In 2003, Roy was 34, and Ruiz was a 226 pound HW, who'd knocked down Evander, and gone 1-1-1 with him in three fights. His style was horrible, but it was effective. However you slice it, he was a decent HW. He'd beat Johnson, and then he went on to beat Rahman and Golota, after losing to Roy.

Now if you sat back and took all of this into consideration, then you would see that beating Ruiz at 34, while being outweighed by over 30 pounds, would have been a better win than beating a faded Nunn.

It would also have been better than beating Roch.

It would also have been a better win than beating Dariusz. The only reason why some people would disagree with that, is because Dariusz was hyped as Roy's nemesis, and Ruiz had a horrible, ugly style.

I don't think you realise how silly you're being.

Fighting Ruiz at that stage of his career, was a bigger challenge than what Nunn, Dariusz and Roch would have brought when he was younger.

Only an idiot would discredit the Ruiz win, and then bash him for not fighting a faded, 35 year old Michael Nunn.

Now I know what type of a guy you are.

I know for a fact that had Roy beaten Nunn, Roch and Dariusz, you wouldn't have given him any credit.

You'd have just looked for two or three other guys who he hadn't fought, and the whole process would have started again.


You seriously think that Dariusz would have fought Tarver, Hopkins and Calzaghe?

Really?

Look at his resume.

Look at who he fought?

There's nothing whatsoever to suggest that he'd have fought those guys.

He was content to face B and C class opposition in Germany.


You don't think he'd have fought Ruiz?

Yet you won't give Roy credit for fighting him?


HBO weren't always riding Roy's meat, as you've put it.

They were his biggest critics.


Keep trying?

You keep throwing me the ball, and I'll keep smashing it out of the park, by using logic and facts.


We can keep doing it for as long as you want to.


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atsch

 

And its after DM was stripped. So Guthrie was still top 5.....DM could have fought him, he was far from the nobody you claimed. Instead he fought a guy who wasnt ranked. That makes no.sense toward your argument. Dm did the same thing as Roy...THAT is my point!

 

He went to HW at 34.


You can have links that show guys not wanting to fight him.


When Roy finally decided to take on Hopkins?

Ha!

You've got that back to front.

Bernard priced himself out in 2002.

He then said in 2008, he'd never want to fight him again because he was shot.

Before fighting him in 2010. atsch

 

KillSomething,


I've asked you to reply in the conventional way.

I haven't got the patience to copy and paste all of your posts, before quoting them.

So I'll just pick out the relevant parts.


We've covered the Ruiz fight. It's just sad that you won't give him credit.


Why are you still debating the weight loss? You have a full page of facts and links on the weights thread. Go and reread them.


If Roy's HW belt was meaningless, Joe's WBO belt must have been worth the same as a packet of crisps.


Pre Ruiz, Roy wouldn't have lost to any version of Glen.


Ducking the Hopkins rematch for years?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-07-10-jones-hopkins.htm


Fight Collins, Benn or Eubank?

Did you not view the in ring interview before he fought Brannon?

http://youtu.be/4TPjvtASn0c


Eubank?

Who said that fighting Roy in his prime would have been suicide?

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=502072


When Joe couldn't unify with Ottke, he wasn't waiting for Hopkins. Hopkins had never fought at SMW.

Why did he want to fight a MW anyway?

Joe's 6ft, and had a natural walking around weight of 192-196 pounds. He struggled to make weight in a weak division. Why didn't he go to LHW?

Before guys like Lacy and Kessler had come on the scene, Joe turned down the opportunity to fight at LHW, to instead fight Pudwill, Mitchell, Mkrtchyan, Salem, Veit and Ashira.

That was a complete lack of ambition.

Yet you'll praise that, but criticise Roy for going up?

Ok.

http://literarydevices.net/irony/


I'm shutting every one of your posts down with consummate ease.


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Yet DM own promoter states he wanted nothing to do with him because he was with King .Guess you are more in the know than his own promoter

I don't know why he would either but he did ! As he did with Devalle !

 

KillSomething,

I've destroyed all of your posts with logic and facts.

The links and videos that I've uploaded speak for themselves.

And?

That's just circumstances.

The lineal LHW champ was Zolt Erdei at one point. I'm sure you'd have given Roy loads of credit for beating him?

I'm sure you wouldn't have criticised him, if he'd have fought him instead of Tarver?

Again, circumstances.

Many great fighters over the years haven't been.

But look at someone like Joe, who took ten years to unify a division, that was one of the weakest in boxing for a number of years.

Was that such a great achievement?

Dariusz had nothing to do with the WBC belt.

It wasn't Roy's fault that Dariusz was stripped of them.

Roy didn't get the belts Fedexed to his farm in Pensacola. He fought Del Valle and Reggie Johnson for them.

Again, HBO tried to bring Dariusz to America, and he wasn't interested.

Roy's initial target was Evander. If Evander had've taken the belt back from Ruiz in their final fight, negotiations would have taken place.

Byrd would have been a hard fight for less money than Ruiz.

Wlad would have been a harder fight, for lesser money, and for a lesser title.

Jim Thomas was Evander Holyfield's former attorney. He met with Murad Muhammad and Don King to discuss the possibility of Roy fighting Evander after he'd beaten Ruiz. They discussed many details, including the upside of the PPV. Thomas was then informed by Don King, they were also going to offer the exact same terms to Lennox and his advisors. Lennox was also approached after he'd fought Vitali, and his options were a rematch with a Vitali, or a fight with Roy. But after careful consideration, he announced his retirement, stating that he no longer had the desire to prolong his career. Then a few years later, Manny Steward claimed that it was Lennox's family who'd asked him to retire.

Right. atsch

How can you expect a serious debate, when you type this nonsense?

Kerry Davis - VP for HBO, disagrees with you.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-07-10-jones-hopkins.htm

Roy roy-ded all of his career, and that's the only reason why he had success, right?

With almost no technical skill?

:rofl

And here you have shot yourself in the foot.

Roy had a china chin.

Plus, he'd started out at MW and JMW.

YET you WON'T give him ANY credit, for beating a 226 pound HW, who'd knocked down Evander Holyfield?

Ha!

A china chinned, former 154 pounder, gets no credit for beating a HW?

Roy was one of the greatest fighters to ever lace up a pair of gloves, and you should be showing him a lot more respect.

 

Kill something what happened to the Jennings klitschko thread?? I can't find it anywhere?

 

Roy was stripped for not fighting Nunn, because he wasn't happy with the money on offer, and he was wanting a big fight at HW at the time.

 

You've taken a pounding on this thread.

You can't outsmart logic.

You can't argue against facts.


Keep throwing me the ball, I've still got the bat in my hand.

 

So you are just posting from a hindsight perspective, and have no idea the risks and challenges Roy took as you were not watching.

This place is full of posters like you.

 

Titles in 4 weight classes. First former middle in a century to pick up a HW strap. Something like 25 title fights. Beat around 20 former, current or future champs. Yes, quite embarrassing....especially when you consider 99% of pros never even sniff a single title fight. Quite an embarrassing career......only when viewed through the eyes of revisionist historians who can't grasp how difficult it is to rise to the top level of professional sports.