Crude but effective NON-heavyweights

A lot of fighters who appear crude are actually capable of skilled boxing when the situation calls for it.

Take Steve Collins for example. Against Benn and Eubank he fought flat-footed with constant pressure, utilizing his physical strength and conditioning against to take away their strengths. At times against Eubank he was so swinging so wildly that he lost his balance and fell to the floor.

Against Chris Pyatt, Collins counter-punched effectively on the back foot, using his jab, movement and angles to set traps, which led to the stoppage. Same fighter, same skillset, but applying a different strategy depending on the fight.

I remember reading that Jorge Castro in his early career had a fancy-dan type style rather than the concrete-chinned slugger style he is associated with. I've never seen any footage to back this up though.

 

Aaron Pryor was probably more unorthodox than crude but worthy of a mention. Pipino Cuevas was somewhat crude but of course that incredibly powerful hook made up for a lot.

 

Here is the definition of the word "crude" in order to help in determining exactly how it might relate to boxing.

crude
(kro͞od)
adj. crud·er, crud·est

3. Lacking in sophistication or subtlety; simplistic:
5. Undisguised or unadorned
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/crude

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None of the underlined were crude ,imo

YPJ
Jackson was a good boxer who was quick, strong and a hard-hitter; He has been underrated over the years."

According to the November 1, 1913, edition of the Tacoma Daily News (Tacoma, Washington), Jackson started his career in Seattle, Washington, in 1898. It was there that he knocked out W.H. Jones, Arthur Walker and Harris Martin (the "Black Pearl") in 1899. Jackson then headed off to California.

Between 1900 and 1905, Jackson knocked out four future Hall of Famers: Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Mysterious Billy Smith, Barbados Joe Walcott and Sam Langford. During his career, Jackson went 1-3 against O'Brien, 1-1 against Smith, 1-2-2 against Walcott and 1-4-1 against Langford.

Jackson fought Walcott to a 20-round draw in a 1903 bout for the World Welterweight Championship. One year later, he fought a 15-round draw against Dixie Kid, Walcott's successor as World Welterweight Champion, in a non-title match.

In 1905, Jackson fought the much larger Jack Johnson for the World Colored Heavyweight Championship and lost by a six-round newspaper decision.

World Lightweight Champion Joe Gans, a friend and fellow Baltimore native, employed Jackson as a sparring partner and second.
Non PareilDempsey

Jack Dempsey is considered by many as one of the greatest boxers pound-for-pound who ever fought in the ring; He moved well and was extremely quick, agile and skillful

He was a two-handed fighter who could box or punch; His jab was quick and accurate; His right hand punch was stiff; He was game and cool under pressure; He could fight whatever style was needed to win; In short, he was a crafty boxer-puncher who was an excellent ring general

 

I can see exactly why you think that but the guy that posted this said boxers that lack refined technical skills, Harry Greb was very quick but was not exactly technically skilled, according to the people who saw him fight he was a jumping jack rabbit that never stopped throwing punches, young peter Jackson was a very good fighter but he wasn't exactly on a high skill level, to me people who have refined skill are people like tommy loughran, gene Tunney, mike gibbons, terry McGovern does not have refined skill imo because many historians believe that his main abilities were his punching power and his signature charges. Jake lamotta was a very good fighter but his main assets were his stamina and his chin, not technical skill, Henry Armstrong was more skilled than the others I mentioned but I wouldn't class him as having refined technical skill, he was very good at staying in close to his opponents and defending punches from that position but he swarmed, didn't show refined technical ability, he would wear opponents down, his main assets were that he never stopped throwing punches and had great stamina. Charley white has imo one of the best left hooks p4p in the history of the sport, I still wouldn't class him as having refined skills, nonpareil jack Dempsey was a brilliant fighter and was very good at fighting opponents Bigger than him, many people thought he could beat john l Sullivan if he weighed a little more, but from witnesses to his fights he wasn't amazingly skilled like most of the fighters of his day.

 

I was taking the title of the thread ,"Crude But Effective ," as my criteria,and going by that only Ketchel and Uzcudun on your list qualify imo. Bottomline neither of us has seen most of these, so our impressions of them are just that, impressions.Your impression is obviously as valid as mine,well nearly so!lol