Cruisers: Please weigh in at 195, 24h before fight...

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  1. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    Thank you to everyone who contributed to my silly thread. Sorry to all the guys who didn't like it. I like these fantasy lists. I think some of these boxers would beat guys above them on the list, prime-for-prime. But this is just a bit of fun, according to the parameters (bearing in mind if they've ever made that weight, cut weight vs prime, all hypothetical banter, etc.). For example, I believe 213lb Ali beats everyone here, but anyway, here goes...

    Rules: weigh in at 195lb, 24 hours before fight time

    1. Louis
    2. Holyfield
    3. Marciano
    4. Ali
    5. Frazier
    6. Johnson
    7. Dempsey
    8. Charles
    9. Walcott
    10. Moore
    11. Langford
    12. Tunney
    13. Sullivan
    14. Patterson
    15. Schmeling
    16. Usyk
    17. Spinks
    18. Byrd
    19. Ellis
    20. Quawi

    Here is my orginal list, when I started this thread. It's changed quite a lot:
    1. Louis
    2. Holyfield
    3. Marciano
    4. Johnson
    5. Dempsey
    6. Charles
    7. Walcott
    8. Langford
    9. Tunney
    10. Sullivan
    11. Patterson
    12. Schmeling
    13. Usyk
    14. Spinks
    15. Byrd
    16. Ellis
    17. Johansson
    18. Machen
    19. Quarry
    20. Jackson
     
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  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Give Andy Ruiz liposuction or a gastric band and he could do it.

    In seriousness, if you are mentioning guys like Sullivan etc. then you could mention Goddard (who @Seamus has made a great thread on recently).

    Also, Joe Frazier.
     
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  3. Gudetama

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    Yep, Frazier could possibly be in contention. For those who fought well at around 200lb, they could slot in just fine. 205lb, yeah probably. 210lb (such as Usyk), I've had to consider what the weight loss would do.
    I figured that someone like Usyk was used to boiling down, so I can picture it. Whereas Frazier wasn't. Not sure.
     
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  4. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jimmy Bivins
    Harold Johnson
    Tommy Loughran
    Max Baer has weighed that much
    Bob Satterfield
    Conn
    Pastor
    H Cooper
    Archie Moore
    To name a few
     
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  5. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    Thank you.
    I'll look into Baer's performances at lighter poundage.
    As for the others... Yep, considered them, alongside the Sharkeys, Fitzsimmons, Corbett, Jeanette, Moorer, and Elmer Ray. Just not sure if they can crack my top 20.
     
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  6. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At most, Ali barely weighed more than 200lbs through to 66; that might change the list a bit...
     
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  7. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Archie Moore should be near the top of the 20...Loughran and Bivins id put top 20 as well.
     
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  8. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    Jeez. I think a big amount of our beloved HW are true CWs hell I think nearly all HWs are true CWs a true HW today is a juice ****** often times they are either really tall or obese often both.

    Take away Wlads weights and juice you got a 210lbs 6ft5 boxer. Lennox is the same take the roids, lifting and some fat out of the picture same result. If you truly wanted to a man can get down to 8% bodyfat easy and suffer no consequence's of health plus an extra 20 odd lbs of water for the fight you are good to go. Most don't understand how easy it is to get down to a low bodyfat. When I pondered compettion I was 170ish lbs cut some water and I would look like King-Kong at 147lbs that is without illegal means to push the envelope more.

    All the while being a "natural 200lbs guy"
     
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  9. Gudetama

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    I certainly should consider him. I guess guys who peaked at 215, I just didn't think about. Where does he slot in, when he's that light?
     
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    Moore was my number 21. What position do you feel he deserves, according to the parameters?
     
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    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Prob 5-10.
     
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  12. 70sFan865

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    Fitzsimmons deserves a mention, unless you only count fighters that fought around this 195 lbs weight.

    I'd have Walcott lower than Langford, Schmeling and Patterson personally.
     
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  13. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To give more context he went like 64-4 at heavyweight. Only losing to Ali Marciano Patterson and Bivins (which was a cheap shot he contends and he avenged). He lost to the first three ATG over the age of 38. Some notable wins
    Nino Valdez x2
    Bob Baker
    Clarence Henry
    Curtis Sheppard
    Jimmy Bivins x4
    Harold Johnson
    Bob Satterfield
    Jimmy Slade
    Charley Williams
    Alejandro Lavorante
    Joey Maxim
     
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  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This thread contains a critical level of dumb@ssery. It's bound to meltdown.
     
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  15. TBooze

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    I think most consider Ali the best Heavyweight of the Queensberry rules era. And the Ali of 66/67 was generally considered his prime, thus...
     
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