Cuban Amateur Legend, Félix Savón

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  1. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    How good do you think he would have been as a pro? He was 362-21 as an amateur and was around 6'5

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  2. HawkFan16

    HawkFan16 Unshot/In My Prime Full Member

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    I think a large part of Savon's success came from the fact he was a seasoned product facing much younger, technically underdeveloped opponents that had yet to fully mature. He held huge advantages in experience, skills, and size against almost everyone he ever faced. That's not to say he was unskilled, but he was basically a man fighting against fighters who just couldn't be considered men yet.

    If he'd entered the pros in the mid-90s, I doubt he's able to gracefully deal with no longer having huge advantages over his opponents. A motivated Bowe or Lewis would both KO him in the mid rounds. He'd have a better shot at beating an aging Holyfield, and he might be able to outbox Tua in the pros and not get caught, but Ibeabuchi would throttle him.

    A lot of gauging Savon's success in the pros comes down to how good his chin is. A lot of guys can succeed in the amateurs and hide their chin sturdiness (Tillman, Jorge Luis Gonzales, etc). If Savon had a good chin in the pros, he might eventually get an Alphabet belt, he'd be able to beat someone like Ruiz, but I don't see him beating Lewis or other top Heavyweights of the time.
     
  3. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    :thumbsup thanks for the reply. I see where you're coming from on the experience factor. I realized that was a big influence also on his success. I haven't watched much of him, so I can't say where his skill level is at or anything.
     
  4. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its true that he was facing much younger and unexperienced guys but any questions about him or stevenson turning pro will remain unanswered - his success as an amateur can't be compared with jorge luis gonzalez who was never the best HW in Cuba with stevenson and milian miles ahead of him.
    Savon skills,size,power and discipline were always remarkable- question mark would be his chin when getting hit by someone like Lewis or Mercer.But i wonder how these last 2 would take Savon punches.As i said before,we will never have the answer for it.Make your own conclusions.
     
  5. fish262

    fish262 Member Full Member

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    Didn't don king offer him 25 million to fight mike Tyson
     
  6. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    Not as good as Chagaev :D
     
  7. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    he would have been better than Chagaev by accident
     
  8. Zacker

    Zacker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The line about experience being the reason for much of the success of exceptional amateurs is a line that gets repeated a lot. I'm pretty tired of it and think it is outright false, at least to a large extent. Amateur boxing, if anything, is a young mans game, build for a high pace over few rounds. Without going into that too much I'll just point out that this is evident even for the great Cuban heavyweights Savon and Stevenson who lost several steps as time progressed. The 33 year old version of Savon who won gold in Sydney would have lost to the 25 year old who won it in Barcelona, and probably to the 19 year old who won gold in the WC in Reno.

    Coming back to Savon, as you see in the sentence above, he won his first gold at 19 when he didn't have any "seasoning" advantages over his opponents. Savon's success came from the fact that he was better than the rest, even as a kid, and not primarily from him having time to mature as a boxer.

    As a pro I somehow believe he could have been a bust. His conditioning didn't seem great and his chin might have been suspect. On the other hand, he was tall for his weight class, he fought below 91 kg, and he might have benefited from being able to fill up another 10 kg or so. So we'll never know but I'm not particularly sorry he never turned professional. He had a great career as it was.
     
  9. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    He is Teofilo Stevenson Part II.

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  10. pirao666

    pirao666 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly :D

    Ruslan "the Savon slayer" Chagaev :bbb

    Briggs was so skinny back then compared to how he is now BTW :rofl
     
  11. JunitoJab

    JunitoJab Antagonist Full Member

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    Great amateur record
     
  12. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hard to say. Would he be as successful if he was fighting Lennox Lewis, David Tua, a Young Shannon Briggs, Evander Holyfield, etc. He was talented though, but how much was talent and how much was him being 30 fighting Guys who are 17 and 18 for a large part.
     
  13. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    I guess he lost their series on purpose then. Including their first fight when Ruslan was still just a teenager and Savon a 30 year old in his prime with a decade of World level experience. :rofl
     
  14. guncho

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    he for sure could be better then Hide!
     
  15. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Savon's homosexuality could have been a factor if he was fighting in the pros. In Cuba nobody ever talked about it,only in the inner circles it was known about his sexual preferences.But here in the US, as soon as people found out, the press and the fans would have made his life miserable.And mentally would have been a factor.