Cuevas vs Shields. Pipino beginning to slip?

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Yes. About the worst thing a fighter could do against Hearns was stay cautiously at long range, thinking they could stay out of harm's way while figuring a way to get inside. What actually happens if they play right into Hearns's hands.
    To beat Hearns a fighter needs to go forward and brawl him, something Cuevas certainly had the tools to do. And I don't think he lacked courage. He just lacked the brain to figure that out and adjust quick enough.
     
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  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree totally. Hagler did it, and Barkley to an extent, but Barkley in the first fight and even more in the rematch took tremendous punishment. I actually think he won the Hearns rematch, but was diminished after by the punches he took. Well the problem is most guys who tried aggression like that with Hearns got knocked out. And Cuevas was knocked out also. I noticed Duran came out in round 2 aggressively and looked like he wanted to engage Hearns, since he was really hurt in round one. And he did ok for a little while, landing a nice right hand. But then Hearns was in punching range and hit Duran with the full leverage, and most guys hit with Hearns leverage don't do very well.
     
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For what it's worth, I recently scored this fight. This is how I saw it.

    Cuevas-Shields

    5 point must system in effect.

    Round 1: 5-4 Cuevas
    Round 2: 5-4 Cuevas
    Round 3: 5-4 Shields
    Round 4: 5-4 Shields
    Round 5: 5-4 Cuevas
    Round 6: 5-5 Even
    Round 7: 5-4 Shields
    Round 8: 5-4 Cuevas
    Round 9: 5-4 Cuevas
    Round 10: 5-4 Shields
    Round 11: 5-4 Cuevas
    Round 12: 5-5 Even
    Round 13: 5-4 Cuevas
    Round 14: 5-4 Cuevas
    Round 15: 5-4 Shields

    Total: 70-67 Cuevas

    This bout had plenty of shifts, but it really came down to the fact that Cuevas simply had more heft in his shots. Randy was the perfect foil for him - having a great jaw - but he had absolutely no pop in his punches. With so many of them being taps and sometimes even slaps, it was Cuevas' shots that impressed more and who took the lion's share on my card.
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Although I don't believe I saw their 3rd fight, I did score their 2nd fight. love watching these two in action.

    Pipino Cuevas - Angel Espada II

    Round 1: 10-9 Cuevas
    Round 2: 10-8 Cuevas (Cuevas scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: 10-9 Cuevas
    Round 4: 10-9 Espada
    Round 5: 10-9 Cuevas
    Round 6: 10-9 Espada
    Round 7: 10-9 Cuevas
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Cuevas
    Round 12: Espada could not answer the bell for the 12th round with a broken jaw

    Total through 11 completed rounds - 108-103 Cuevas

    Official scores were 106-104 Cuevas, 104-104 Even, 108-106 Espada. Don't know what fight that last official was watching but can't quite see that one, even by giving Angel the three even rounds. To begin, Espada really is a beautiful fighter to watch, but he was up against a force of nature in Cuevas. Cuevas will just plug away throwing bombs for however long the fight lasts and couldn't care less if he missed 4 if he could land one. The rounds I gave Espada he fought brilliantly using the ring and going in and out with beautiful counters. And some of those counters would have taken out a lesser man. Amazing that I had 3 consecutive rounds even but that was how the tide was rolling. By the 10th round, although I scored the 10th even, more from Espada preventing Cuevas from doing anything, one could see Espada was really coming apart at the seams and it was just a matter of time. Good fight for purists and for those who also like a bit of mayhem.
     
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  5. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks for taking time to do your "scorecard". Very good perspective and comments. (Would have been interesting to see a Espada vs Palomino fight too).

    Note: Espada was the WBA's world Welterweight champion in 1975-76.[1][2] A music lover, Espada also organized, during the late 1970s, a salsa orchestra. Espada's nickname is "Cholo". After retiring from boxing, Espada became a boxing trainer, and he has remained in that position ever since.

    Cuevas vs Espada Fight 2
    • WBA World Welterweight Title
    • Espada did not come out for the 12th round, due to a broken jaw. Espada was down in the 2nd round.
    "Mexico's Jose (Pipino) Cuevas not only successfully defended his WBA welterweight title but also probably sent his challenger, Angel 'Cholo' Espada of Puerto Rico, into retirement with a broken jaw. Cuevas, using bull-like charges and a stinging left hand, sent the challenger to the hospital following the bout at Roberto Clemente Coliseum. A hard left sent Espada to the canvas for an eight count in the 2nd round. Fighting gamely, Espada recovered but Cuevas again punished the Puerto Rican, who was caught in the ropes by left and right hand combinations in the 8th and 11th rounds. Espada tried to come out in the 12th but stumbled to his knees and the referee halted the fight." -Associated Press

    Dr. Amaury Capella, a doctor for the Puerto Rico Boxing Commission, Issued a statement after the bout that Espada suffered a double fracture on the right side of his jaw.
     
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