Current fighters whose Development has hit a Ceiling.

Domestically the main culprit is Nathan Cleverly

When you suddenly go stale and stop getting better , thats usually followed by a slight dip in form , which isn't good in the fight game as it usually can end up in a fighter losing a fight decisively he was actually supposed to win , or a real bad scare

This sparring clip nonsense is just that !! , Khan was sparring for God's sake , I've been bashing him on other threads , but people actually saying he's gone backwards because of a sparring clip is utter drivel , if Khan has gone backwards Danny Garcia will beat him , because there aint much between them , if Khan is at his absolute best i would expect him to stop Garcia bearing in mind styles

If that makes sense

Anyway back to my point , solution = change stable , its the only feasible solution to going stale with a trainer

 

Wow i was expecting more input on a very good thread , a topic well worth talking about IMO , that said you did post this up late and it is still early

Pavilk is a strange one isn't he ?? , alcoholism is something that surely must be holding him back , well his history in alcoholism i mean , you never get them years back as an ageing fighter !!

Cleverly , i couldn't agree more mate , seems to have come up against a brick wall the poor lad

Edit : i think timing is also key , if your looking to change stables and improve and get better but physically you are on the downward side of your career (Pavlik) , then realistically in your heart of hearts what can you be looking for , if like you say a fighter is still fresh but its clear the change is needed due to " hitting a ceiling " then its improvements and knowledge your seeking , and the important factor there is , your still young enough and fresh enough to work hard and fast at making them changes

 

one of the problems with clev and especially khan is they believe there own hype. khan got taught a boxing lesson against peterson, made so many mistakes in the build up to the fight and thats why he lost, But because of the PEDs and the hatman he has not learnt from his lesson and he will go into this fight in the exact same mindset, im starting to think a very poor garcia could still do khan.

 

Frankie Gavin.

Fight more regularly, fight better opposition, become more dedicated.

He's a talented kid, but isn't showing it at the min.

 

I think i will wait to see Khan's fight performance rather than a single sparring clip to make a judgement on Khan's development

 

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Both Fury and Price have come on alot in the last year.

 

Inactivity is a huge barrier in terms of fighters developing..

I was expecting to learn more about groves, degale, Gavin etc this year. But due to inactivity I would say i am none the wiser on how these fighters will develop than i was this time last year.

Then you have poor matchmaking (sorry Clev) which again stops the fans from knowing how far a certain fighter can go.

All we can do is speculate and rumour as to how we think fighters will develop when they are A - inactive B - matched against poor opposition.

This all comes down to the promotors and matchmakers who have to take responsibility for this.

What can you do ??? Change promotor.

In terms of active fighters who have hit a block, I would say someone like McCloskey is a prime example. Who has basically lost his last 3 fights (i am including prescott) when stepping up in class.

Not to sure what he can do to change / improve as I dont belive he has the tools to mix at world level, assuming he accepts this I would continue fighting on the European scene with a view to trying to get another crack at a wold belt

 

I read the title and knew Khan would be mentioned in the OP. I have to agree, going by the sparring (yeah, yeah i know its only sparring) he seems to have learned nothing from the Peterson fight. No doubt Roach is a fantastic trainer but it seems over past 3 years Khan has made little to no adjustments to his game since his initial beginnings at Wildcard.

 

could not agree more:yep, hope it all comes good for him but time waits for no man :bart

 

Scott Quigg. Looked like he'd be one of our best prospects at one point, but hasnt really developed over the last year or so...unfortunately the Munroe fight didnt last long enough to tell us much. I'm not sure if he's hit a ceiling or gone backwards tbh

 

Whist were on the subject , I'm going to include Stephen Smith to this debate , once considered a boy wonder of British boxing , a Featherweight who was extremely successful as an ama , and was looking not to shabby as a young pro either !! ??

Well what the ****s gone on !! , because he isn't the same kid he was 2 years ago , the Selby KO , or Joe Gallagher ???

 

Khan - for the reasons said already

Clev - complete failure to use his attributes to the best of his ability

Quigg - good shout Rooq.... from a mini-Hatton to mini-Murray :-(

On Roach, I think as a trainer he's living off his reputation. As a strategist he's still there, but I'm certain that his health issues are affecting his ability to work with his fighters as he needs to do, and also from getting his point across in the corner.

He's probably suffering because of the fact that a lot of fighters go to him because they've been knocked out by an opponent who they ought to have beaten, rather than because they want to improve.

It's probably a great gym for young lads to go and spar in, crack a few heads and come home a smarter, harder fighter, but not somewhere I'd advise a lad base himself.

Clev just needs to leave Vince and work with a proper trainer. The maths degree won't be of much use when he's punch drunk by the age of 30. It's either easy fights from hereon or repeated KO losses

Quigg's decline is particularly alarming..... his feet now look like they're stuck in chewing gum when he tries to move, and his punches are more predictable, he's easier to hit as a result.

Smith.... I've long had my reservations because he's the worst inside fighter I've ever seen. He makes Khan seem like James Toney in the close exchanges.... so why he tries to fight in the Gallagher style I've no idea.

It's his career, so if he doesn't want to do anything about it, **** him. He's throwing his career away.