current hardest punches between 154-175

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  1. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    i am interested to see peoples views on the hardest punches between154 and 175 pound top ten please?
     
  2. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    Pavlik came first into mind after reading the topic:D
     
  3. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :blood
     
  4. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    Carl Froch is a hard hitter.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    There's a difference between a hard puncher and an effective puncher.

    e.g. Froch v. Berrio

    Froch has one-punch KO power but sets up his punch by planting his feet firmly and securely, before unloading. He gives you time to get out of the way or evade his punch.

    Berrio doesn't hit as hard, but he takes you by surprise with his punch. He also throws his punches in a fluid way which misleads the casual viewer as to their power.

    Berrio is more effective but Froch punches harder.

    Some other effective punchers are effective because of technique and speed of execution, even if in absolute terms, they don't hit as hard.

    At 175, Diaconu comes to mind, especially since I've been posting a lot about him lately.:patsch Precise, well-timed, fast punches deliver the knock-down even if in absolute terms they are not that hard. Againt better opponents who box well, this kind of punching is more effective than the raw power of a Miranda, for example.

    Then, there's strategy. You don't have to hit that hard if you can get your opponent in a position to be open to the liver and can place a well timed, very precise punch there...gets the KD/KO even if the punch isn't that hard.:good

    So...let's not mistake "hardest" for "most effective"...because they're not always the same thing.
     
  6. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    I agree, Froch can really bang but when he steps up a level he's gonna have less opportunities to land his big shots as he seems a bit flat footed to me.
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It's not so much the flatfootedness that limits his effectiveness as a puncher; it's the fact that he plants his feet so well, I think - that takes time to do and your opponent can react. Obviouly, if he covers up in the corner, Froch will unload on him and finish him. Here's where the flatfootedness comes in - a top opponent will have the footwork to get himself out of trouble and not pushed into a corner so easily.
     
  8. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    Can you read? In no order! :D:D:D

    ...but surely Abraham hits harder than Miranda (and don“t argue with the chin...) ;)
     
  9. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Trinidad!!! just kidding :lol:
     
  10. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well, on second thought, he was a great puncher at 154, but he cant make it there anymore, and he is not effective now :deal
     
  11. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    I haven't thought this through immensely, so I may be missing a few, and I might go back and change things around later, but here's a shot (not P4P):

    1. Alejandro Berrio
    2. Adrian Diaconu
    3. Kelly Pavlik
    4. Arthur Abraham
    5. Edison Miranda
    6. Antonio Tarver
    7. Carl Froch
    8. Victor Oganov
    9. Glen Johnson
    10. Jaidon Codrington

    Hard to set up this list. They all have different kinds of punching power. Diaconu is probably the strongest if he has time to load up, but he usually doesn't do it in the ring. Guys like Berrio, Pavlik and Froch punch consistently hard. Obviously I diasgree with Decebal on the Berrio vs Froch argument, although I honestly haven't seen enough to Froch to place him all that well.

    Honorable mentions to Lafarrell Bunting, Curtis Stevens and James Kirkland.
     
  12. Stickandmove

    Stickandmove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What this thread highlights is that we are MISSING a truely explosive puncher in Boxing at the moment.

    The last one was probably Prince Naseem Hamed. Nobody that explosive has appeared since although I'm looking forward to seeing David Haye have a go at heavyweight.
     
  13. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Calzaghe is a decent puncher, though not a massive one. Guys with 32KO's from 44 wins must be able to do some damage - ask Jeff Lacy or Peter Manfredo!
     
  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    You think Berrio hits harder than Froch? i.e. more one-punch KO POWER?:think

    Also, am surprised you have Diaconu as high as that. He sure does have power, with both hands, and that power has been increasing lately, but I think Diaconu is effective more because of his explosive rush-forward, precise and well timed punching technique rather than raw power...:think