Current Mayweather v Current Canelo @ 160

Moderators, I believe all threads that ask if current Floyd could beat current Canelo should be merged together. These threads serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

 

Anybody voting Mayweather is high on petrol fumes. Floyd is shot, too small for 160 anyway, and Canelo is better than he's ever been. Lay off the crack guys.

 

That's a fair post, even though I feel ginger is streets better now than when he fought PBF.

 

Current Clenelo wins surely. Floyd has diminished badly, and Clenelo has certainly improved

 

At 23 years of age Canelo pushed a 36 year old Floyd to the limit and gave him his toughest fight in years and one of the closest fights of his entire career. He did that at a 152 catchweight that made it hard for him to be at his best and was without his promoter during fight week (DLH) who was in rehab.

Even with the deck heavily stacked against him, fighting on a card promoted by his opponent, he still fought Floyd tooth and nail to a close Majority decision. That is an accomplishment in it of itself as only Maidana a year later was able win that many rounds vs Floyd, and Floyd was in nowhere near the kind of shape and preparedness he was vs Maidana that he was in vs Canelo. So it was a better version of Mayweather that he fought vs the faded version of Mayweather who fought Maidana a year later.

Despite it being the biggest payday in Floyd's career up to that point, he refused to give Canelo a rematch. And Floyd likes money so that right there (regardless of how you scored it) tells you how tough that fight was for Floyd and how he didn't want any part of a Canelo rematch or fighting him at the normal 154. It was too big of a risk for Floyd to fight Canelo without giving himself advantages like catchweights that would make it easier for him to win. A ripped 36 year old Mayweather in the best condition he could possibly be in at that age squeaked by a drained 23 year old Canelo. It took every bit of Floyd stacking the deck again Canelo and giving his absolute everything to get that win. On a level playing field at 154 it would have been a 50/50 fight. By 2014/2015 Floyd had started to fade, as seen from the first Maidana fight, as a non-faded Floyd would have easily dispatched of Maidana, and at that point he would have had a lot of trouble beating Canelo like he did the year before.

 

Canelo would knock him out.

 

Canelo pushed him? Floyd, and I think it was the 7th round, could have stopped Canelo had he let the combos fly.

Canelo ran out of steam and ideas. From the contract clause to the performance, it was a masterclass from Floyd.

 

Floyd's been officially retired for 2 years now. He's well past 40 and he's never fought at 160.

Give it a rest already.

That said, Floyd's style would always beat Canelo if all else was equal. Floyd proved that already. At this point Canelo would almost certainly defeat him, but that would be solely based on the age/inactivity factor and the fact that Canelo has moved up 3 weight divisions since they fought.

Of course, at this point, I would not advise Canelo to drop back down two weight classes. His body has now outgrown that weight and dropping down would only drain his power and stamina

 

Fair but the same could be said about PBF as well that wasn't the best version of him so you split the difference.

 

Floyd would never have beaten Canelo at 160, he`s too small to carry that weight well.

 

Floyd isn’t that well preserved. Even when he fought Maidana Floyd looked every bit of his age. His handspeed and timing diminished a lot from to 2013 to 2014. Even in the Canelo fight Floyd’s timing and handspeed wasn’t anywhere close to what it was 3-4 years before. Floyd basically figured Canelo out and kept beating him to the punch and also never stood right in front of Canelo. Floyd also didn’t move to much and controlled the pace against Canelo, since Floyd knew he had old legs.

Kovalev unlike Floyd was moving around way too much, so despite racking up the points his legs started giving out, which is why Kovalev started catching more punches later in the fight. Kovalev should’ve controlled the pace better and kept it in the center of the ring and circled Canelo instead running corner to corner on old legs.

Also, I don’t see any evolution in Canelo’s ability. Canelo was already both an elite and experienced fighter when he fought Floyd. Canelo still has the same weaknesses he had 6-7 years ago. His power also is the same as it always was. Canelo has always been a good puncher, but guys like Lara, GGG, and other top guys at 154-160 aren’t easy to land clean on. Once Kovalev’s legs were spent he was easy pickings.

 

He will always have a speed edge? Surely his speed will starrt to ebb soon.

 

No, Canelo was far better in the rematch with GG than before that, his defense is beter and he opens fighters up better, he really weasn`t impressive v Floyd at all.

 

He did have Canelo in trouble in the 7th but Canelo never went down. That was the round that Floyd took control. Before that each round was extremely close. Floyd fought incredibly well that night though, so I can't take anything away from Floyd's performance. I mean you compare Floyd that night to the version of him a year later that fought Maidana it's no comparison. He was faded by 2014 and really his performance vs Canelo was imho the last truly great Mayweather performance. We know he went on to beat Pacquiao and he won that fight easily but you can't tell me that he looked better then than he did vs Canelo.

It took him till that 7th round to really figure out Canelo. We saw a very dialed in and cautious Floyd early on, it was back and forth through 6 rounds. After getting hit with some great shots by Floyd in the 7th, Canelo did come back in the first half of the 8th (2nd half of the 8th though Floyd put on a clinic). He came back again in the 10th and arguably won the 12th but Floyd definetly started pulling away starting in the 7th round and by the end there was no doubt who won. (Floyd)

That said, I keep hearing people arguing that it was a shutout, even posters that I respect. You're simply not being honest with yourself if you truly scored it like that. The 3 judges had it 8-4, 9-3, 6-6. Now I don't think it was a draw by any stretch, but it was closer to a draw than it was to a shutout. Canelo won at least 2-3 rounds and at most 4 or 5 imho. Round 3 and 4 for example those are rounds that if you are being objective Canelo edged. Round 2 is another round arguable for Canelo but Floyd did outland him with jabs. Though Canelo's clean hooks and rally in the final 30 seconds of the 2nd was enough for me to score it for him. Round 6 was dead even, I literally scored it 10-10. Round 10 was a good Canelo round but still very even overall, as it was a tale of two halves. Round 12 another toss up round.

The other rounds Floyd won pretty clearly imho but to not give any of those closer rounds (2,3,4,6,10,12) to Canelo you'd have to be ridiculously biased in favor of Floyd or some kind of a huge Canelo hater.

 

Prime for prime he will.