Current Mayweather v Current Canelo @ 160

I like Canelo as much as the next person, but you don’t think GGG being an entire year older at 36 had anything to do with him performing worse in the rematch?

GGG’s timing and durability didn’t look as good in the rematch, since he wasn’t responding as well to punches and his jab was as slow as molasses in the rematch. Hopkins is another guy who started having durability problems in his late 30’s and after.

 

Canelo has showed steady improvement since fighting Floyd but many try to act like fighting Floyd made Canelo better. I mean to an extent it did, but you look at his performance vs Trout which was before he fought Floyd and well that's up there was some of his best performances. As far as how impressive he was vs Floyd, I would say it was a mixed bag. He was impressive at times but other times fell into Mayweather's traps like in the 7th round. But like if you really want to review the footage, look at that clean hook he landed on Floyd in the last minute of 2nd round. Who lands a hook that clean on Floyd? He was obviously doing something right to make that happent, and was befuddling Floyd at times. He also landed a really hard jab on Floyd I can't remember what round but again nobody really lands jabs that hard on Floyd. Look at the last half of the 4th round. I mean that was all Canelo for about a minute there until the last punch of the round which Floyd got in a decent shot. But like you won't find Floyd getting hit with that many punches in a row as Canelo did towards the end of the 4th. Oh and in the 10th he had Floyd on the ropes landed about 6 unanswered shots. Again you don't see Floyd get hit with that many shots in a row. Canelo did that, so while he did lose to Floyd, he did have his moments in that match.

 

Not fair to Floyd. Canelo has grown, as a result of training and strong medicine. He’s the Ginger Hulk fighting at 175. Too big for Floyd, I’m talking about the younger version who fought Canelo. The old version is too retired and too old to fight top guys. Fighters tend to age like milk, not wine. I hate this Floyd talk. He’s a full time carnival barker, let’s leave his fighting talk to history. Maybe he will fight the occasional amateur or MMA guy but that’s not boxing. More like sideshows where they throw some punches. Canelo is still prime.

 

Agree with what you're saying but lets be real, Floyd was so good that even though he was too small for 160, he would still have beaten a lot of Middleweights had he moved up at various points in his career. Hell he would have probably beaten a lot of Middleweights even if he just weighed in at 151/152 like he did when he fought at Jr Middleweight. Floyd was honestly that good.

You take the version who outpointed DLH or the version that beat Canelo, you put most Middleweights in there with a 152 lb Floyd, Floyd finds a way to win. I mean we just saw Canelo Knockout Kovalev at 175 lbs, which is at least 1 weight class above the max that most would agree Canelo belongs. Prime or even close to prime Floyd could probably do the same kind of thing vs plenty of top Middleweights.

 

I agree. Floyd was smart and very good defensively. Big punching MWs would have a punchers chance and strength advantage but Floyd was a smart fighter and would have given bigger guys lots of problems.
I don’t like this weight jumping and hope Canelo goes back down to MW to unify. Fighters are usually more entertai big big to watch at their natural weight and Canelo seems ideally suited to 160.

 

I agree, and Canelo did look slower at 175 than he did earlier this year vs Jacobs. I think he should work his way back down to 160 but do it over time. Maybe one fight at 168 early next year then get back down to 160. I guess that means he'll have to vacate his LHW Title. Unless he wants to prove himself vs another top LHW while he's at this weight before dropping back down. But yeah if he's going to go back down to 160 I don't think it's smart to then come back up to LHW again. He probably only has so many years as a prime Middleweight, and we've seen other fighters move up then come back down and not be the same. I don't think that will happen to Canelo at least not to the extent that it has with other fighters like RJJ but he's a better fighter with more speed, with a higher work rate at 160 or 168 so he's better suited there. And now that he has a big name LHW scalp to his resume I don't think it's smart for him to try to unify at LHW. Maybe later in his career when he's truly outgrown 160 then maybe think about returning to 175 but for now I think he should stay at 160 or 168 imho.

 

Old Floyd boxed the ears off of a prime 23yrs old Canelo, 10 rounds to 2.

118-110 doesn't just turn around so easily.

Does Floyd's age and inactivity give current Clenelo a path to 7 clean rounds? Probably.......but i wouldnt put my money on it.

Floyd owns this man.

 

I think you got the right idea. Clenelo's team are fairly bright guys it seems. At least they learned the lessons of the past. I don't see them jumping back down two full weight classes.

168lbs will be the new 155lbs for Clen.

I don't see him fighting any of the real 168lb guys (Callum Smilly or Billy Joe Saunders), i think he's going to pull the middleweights up and the light-heavyweights down.

 

Mayweather vs Canelo at 147 would be interesting.

 

No, his far more skilled now.

 

Canelo couldn`t cut that kind of weight now, it would be dangerous.

 

Canelo is reaching his prime now that is clear to see.

 

Floyd is tiny, a lot of middleweights would just destroyed him.

 

Some yes some no. Styles make fights. Like a prime Jermain Taylor he might have been too much for Floyd. Prime Martinez would have been too much for him too but it's hard to image Floyd getting stopped. Floyd could certainly put on at the very least a competitive fight vs most Middleweights even as the smaller guy but it would be a big ask for him to beat top MWs. But a super motivated Floyd might be able to outpoint some of them. But he wouldn't be able to knock a Middleweight out, he doesn't have the power Canelo has to move up in weight and knock bigger guys out.

 

Says the silly goof who thinks Canelo WHOOPED 3G...