ok so, while silva was beating the **** out of his title contenders and finishing them gsp was submitting to punches from ****in matt serra. anderson silva has 7 successful title defenses thirteen consecutive victories with only two going to a decision (tales lates and damian maia) silva has been pretty dominant in all his recent fights except the sonnen fight and of course even their he submitted sonnen. I will admitt gsp is better.................. at playing it safe:hey
Your hypocrite to take out Fedor because of his loss, while having Anderson Silva still in there. 1) Luiz Azeredo 2) TakaseDaiju Takase 3) Ryo Chonan 4) Yushin Okami 5) Anderson Silva Sorry Anderson fans, but he lost to these four guys. If Anderson made my top 10, Azeredo, Takasw, Chonan, and Okami would have to be above him. These four guys is not in my top 10.
Anderson Silva is 13-0 against some of the best in the sport since his last loss, which was by DQ. What's Fedor's record since he lost?
fedor shouldn't be #1 not after a indisputable loss. I say #3 behind andy and gsp, though it aint all about losses gentlemen.
I'm not interested in numbers and statistics. GSP has been fighting tougher comp over the last couple of years and beating them more dominantly/impressively than Silva has. And that's what counts.
Do you take quality of performance into account at all, or is it purely about results and sequences for you?
umm, is that all that counts? I say no. gsp could be argued #1, but he plays it safe lays on guys and tries to keep them from not hurting him. he is a big welter that refuses to test the waters in a higher weight class. does that not count?
also I wonder if gsp could pull victory from the jaws of defeat the way silva did in his last fight? why is it not important to defend your belt 7 times and moving up in weight completely annihilating the competition there? not impressed? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl-beMYQ-K0[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYTYLEer2I[/ame]
No, it does not. You have made two points there, and both of them are simply your own personal preferences. You apparently don't care for wrestlers who use their grappling to dominate fights, and you apparently don't respect the fight that GSP has so far done what Hagler and Monzon done in boxing, and preferred to dominate one weight class rather than scale other weight classes. Now, I am in agreement on your first point, I myself don't care for wrestlers who use their grappling to dominate fights, but my own personal preference regarding a fighter's style is utterly irrelevant to pound-for-pound rankings. GSP is so effective at what he does, that he has recently completely dominated top-class fighters like Fitch and Penn. Silva has not proved as effective of late, as he himself was utterly dominated by Sonnen for the vast majority of their fight, and has not been as dominant or impressive over the past couple of years. Do I prefer Silva's style to GSP's style? Yes. Is that relevant to the p4p rankings? No. Objective perception of effectiveness and performance is relevant, personal preference regarding style and approach are not. Your second point is one which is often overstated on here. Yes Silva has fought at lightheavy, but he has not come close to the dual weight class achievements of a Couture or a Penn. Wins over James Irvin and Forrest Griffin are not a successful lightheavy career. If GSP had mw fights against two fighters of that calibre but didn't fight even one of the most dangerous mw's, I wouldn't rate it overly highly either.
I do not believe there is any active welterweight on the planet that could utterly dominate GSP for 24 and a half minutes, so we will never find out. GSP is too well-rounded, too physically strong and just too damn good for that to happen, so we will have to wait to find out the answer to that question... and this is another reason why I believe GSP is a lock for the p4p#1 position at the moment. Sonnen is no better at mw than someone like Fitch is at ww, and GSP dominated Fitch. (I actually think Fitch is a better fighter than Sonnen) It is important to defend your belt 7 times, but that is a statistic, and I have already said I am not interested in numbers or statistics when it comes to pound-for-pound discussion. The important thing in p4p discussions is who has been beating the best comp and who has been doing it most impressively, and a statistic cannot tell me that.
here my problem with your response, I never said I dont think gsp has accomplished a lot at welter, obviously he has. I dont like gsp's style, but I clearly stated that he could be seen as the #1. it is you who is not being objective here by not allowing the possibility for anderson to claim the #1 p4p spot. first of all anderson silva has competed in three weightclasses has competed all around the world in different orgs(becoming champ in shooto and cage rage), and has found a way to win his last 13 (15 straight if you dont count the bs loss to Yushin Okami) in that period of time think about who he has beaten.............. are you thinking. but he beat top guys outside the ufc as well like hayato Sakuri, jeremy horn, lee murry and carlos newton. who did gsp beat outside the ufc? then in the ufc beat chris leben rich franklin 2x travis lutter, nate marquart, dan henderson forest griffin, damian mia, patrick cote, and cheal sonnen. lets not pretend that those wins count for nothing next to gsp. listen machida lover, my placing silva at #1 p4p is not because I like his fighting style(which I freely admit I do and is my current fav mma fighter), I only placed him at #1 after fedor lossed. gsp is my new #2 and i dont like his style as much as fedor, so hows your logic work their. also jake sheilds is my #4 after fedor and I find his fighting style very boring. also I am not the only one placing andy at #1 (in fact it usually people who dont care for anderson who make the argument your making) most mma rankings place him there.:deal be more open minded my friend be like flowing water! gsp on the other hand has fought in two orgs ucc/tko and ufc similar ruleset I think ucc had a boxing ring. has some fantastic comp. but in his last fights has been a little overrated like dan hardy and matt serra. josh koscheck I think is quite limited as an mma fighter his striking is poor and his submission skills are minimal (lets just say you wont be seing him finish guys off with "high level submissions" ) mostly high level fighters but some have been slightly exaggerated skillwise. Im not going to just bash gsp because I think he is #2 p4p above fedor and sheilds, but I bet he aint moving up and facing a top 10 middlewieght anytime soon either. yes hagler never moved up divisions but if he would have moved up weight divisions and beat his opponents in 1 min or 3 min like silva did, you would probably bump him up your p4p as well.:deal
