Current state of the heavyweight division

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Sandman_, Nov 4, 2018.


  1. Lith

    Lith Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,111
    1,258
    Jul 16, 2010
    Interesting, will think on them. I guess one of the most shocking ones to me were actually one of my own countrymen, I wouldn't put Junior Fa near the top 25 at this stage - myself.
     
  2. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

    17,693
    21,284
    Jan 31, 2018
    Bellew on #7 must be a joke tbh. This guy has two fights at HW vs a retired shot old slow broke David Haye ffs.
     
  3. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

    5,158
    6,706
    Feb 20, 2009
    I'm more than happy to justify any one of those picks.

    It's not possible to respond meaningfully to generalizations though.

    If you think you can do a better job, you're welcome to try.
     
  4. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

    5,158
    6,706
    Feb 20, 2009
    I said I'm not biased based on nationalism & that's correct.

    I'm always happy to give a Kiwi a leg up though. Plenty would say I'm being harsh on Joseph Parker not having him in the top 10. I'll move him back up when he starts winning again. Proving he's still the best h/w in NZ would be a good start.

    If your biggest issue with my list is who I've got at #25, I'll take that as a compliment.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2018
  5. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

    5,158
    6,706
    Feb 20, 2009
    Don't see why it's a joke. The Ring had him in their top 10 after beating Haye but have since removed him.

    I don't remove guys on a whim. Someone needs to beat them. If Usyk does this weekend, Bellew will make way & others will move up. How far he falls will depend on his performance.

    If he wins, he'll move up. Usyk is a tough ask for anyone on the list.
     
  6. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

    27,259
    18,341
    Feb 4, 2012
    I thought that. Bellew has no business being on that list.
     
  7. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

    5,158
    6,706
    Feb 20, 2009
    He'll still be on it, but not likely top 10 after this weekend.
     
  8. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

    27,259
    18,341
    Feb 4, 2012
    Because he's about to lose a fight at cruiserweight to another cruiserweight? You might want to think on that.
     
  9. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

    5,158
    6,706
    Feb 20, 2009
    The cruiserweight division is nothing more than an apprentice h/w division.

    Usyk has weighed in heavier for his first 15 pro fights than what Cassius Clay did for his first 15.

    Cassius was the #2 contender for Sonny Liston's h/w crown after 15 pro fights.

    Floyd Patterson, the #1 contender & former h/w champ, weighed even less.
     
  10. Lith

    Lith Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,111
    1,258
    Jul 16, 2010
    I didn't say it was my biggest problem, but it fit the purpose of being a very surprising choice and happened to be one which included one of my own countrymen so I chose it to make a point that my eyebrows raising at a few choices there wasn't due to my own bias - either.
     
  11. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

    27,259
    18,341
    Feb 4, 2012
    If you were ranking Ali and Patterson now I'd say you have a point but you aren't so you don't.
     
  12. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

    5,158
    6,706
    Feb 20, 2009
    Well, when you're finished raising your eyebrows & would like to take issue with some of my other picks, I will be happy to respond.
     
  13. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

    5,158
    6,706
    Feb 20, 2009
    The point is clear whether you are willing to accept it or not.

    I'm comfortable with Usyk as my #3 heavy.

    It's preposterous to me to rank others above him.

    He's clearly better than the guys ranked below him.

    As in right now he's better. Hence the reason he's ranked where he is.