Cus D'amato - No Swarmer Beats Foreman?

Cus is right. He almost turned Smokin Joe into a human satellite.

 

I agree with Cuz. I know of no Swarmer, or even a pure Slugger, throughout boxing history, who I'd bet on against George Foreman.

 

I don't buy this crap anymore. The Fraizer Foreman destroyed was comparable to the Tyson that Douglas beat... worse as Frazier wasn't even at his best weight in either fight while Mike was close. Frazier was about 10 extra lbs of soft belly in the first fight...when has such an example ever been used to draw such concrete conclusions? Never.

No fighter is just immune to a "style" of which there are countless variables and attributes at work. Save this shallow discussion point for the Barber Shop.

Let's say..a swarmer would need nothing less than their A game and top.conditioning to stand a chance and go from there. That's the actual conclusion.

To answer the question...swarming heavies at an elite level are an abnormality and they should be discussed within such context and none had real longevity. The normal rules do not apply.

Foreman demolished a sliding Frazier and actually lost rounds to an even more washed up and more strategically prepared Frazier.

The age old problem of this forum...does one want to have interesting theoretical discussions of boxing history or cry and whine about revisionism because their parroted opinions aren't being validated by faceless strangers....

 

Do we have the source with the actual quote?

 

He might very plausibly have been right.

 

Even on that basis, we would have expected Frazier to give him some sort of fight.

 

I sure wouldn't pick any of them over him.

 

Bob, I agree with your summation. These fantasy matches are hypothetical, they will never actually happen. These matches are opinion based, just plain old fiction. Most past champions when asked hypothetical questions of if they could have beat certain fighter in history they just laugh, their reply that is is just plain silly. They do not pay hypothetical matches any mind, they think those that do are ridiculous.

 

I think the margin of error against Foreman is slim regardless of style.

And Frazier did give him a good fight in the rematch when he wasn't a lazy Champ expecting to blow over an unproven underdog.

 

Frazier never remotely looked like winning the rematch truth be told and there's a lot of cards that don't give him a single round. Some give him one.

He actually had to abandon his usual swarming style (which reinforces the point of the thread claim) just to survive and try to drag Foreman a few rounds in.

Foreman was a shocking deterrent to swarmers.

 

All being equal, the swarmer who would have the best chance against Foreman, would be the one that was least technically a strict swarmer.

 

I agree

 

Whozat then?

 

I'm the biggest Frazier fan in the forum, and do think he did a lot better than given credit for and I only gave him one round in both fights.