Cus D'amato - No Swarmer Beats Foreman?

I guess some people want it to be true?

 

Bottom Line.
To make it untrue somebody has to come up with names that would do it!

And so far they AINT!

 

It had nothing to do with money.

Frazier was a warrior and a competitor. He wanted to set the record straight, or at least do better than last time. He had the nuts of a Spanish fighting bull.

 

It's the agenda of people like Choklab who has been relentlessly preaching this weird notion like a pastor on a street corner. Not the kind who shouts about Armageddon, fire and brimstone, the kind who engages you smirking in an intellectual debate and kills you via 1000 cuts, gas lighting, and wearing you down the way drops of water wear down boulders.

 

Can't trust anything on the net. I always assumed this was true as Cus had a reputation of being over protective. But if nobody can produce an actual quote...this is clearly just a myth.

I think people are desperate for certainties in all manner of life. An appeal to an authority is a nice cop out that gives people an excuse to turn their brains off.

Foreman's rep as a swarmer killer seems increasingly flimsy the more critical thought put into it. You shouldn't have to think less to accept something as an absolute.

 

Because a trainer may not have said it does not mean it isn't true,to prove it isnt true examples of swarmers we can reasonably expect ,make favourite to beat a prime Foreman have to be provided.So far none have been forthcoming, just a lot of BS ,couched in arrogance and condescension.

 

Yeah that's the hilarious part about this thread, just caught up with everything. It really doesn't matter if the quote can be legitimately attributed to Cus, is it wrong...?

Nobody has come up with a boxer that fits the description of "swarmer" that they'd be willing to put money on. 40% of the thread is more of an attempt to downplay Foreman's abilities, which often happens whenever he is the favorite in a situation. I don't get why it's such a polarizing topic. If there was a thread asking which aggressive brawler you'd pick to beat 60's Ali, that would likely be an open and shut case and people would have no problem giving Ali his due.

 

You have absolutely no business being on the internet if you cannot make your case, without insulting people who hold a differing view.

 

I had read the quote, or at least the paraphrasing of it, decades ago in a boxing magazine. the word "swarmer" was never mentioned. As I understood the story, since Tyson had a build and style superficially similar to Frazier, Foreman would be a nightmare matchup for a guy like Tyson.

 

He would indeed be a nightmare. If Tyson can't force a stoppage he'll be trapped in the wheelhouse. Terrible matchup.

 

Never had an exchange with him without coming away irritated and regretting having got involved. He isn't the worst poster here , we all know who that is,but he is certainly the most infuriatingly unrewarding,imo
He unrelentingly pushes his agenda,eg If it concerns smaller heavies having success to demonstrate Marciano could do well against big modern guys Orlin Norris will be unfailingly trotted out as though there is even the faintest correlation between the two. HIs intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking and when he is proved with certainty to be wrong ,he abruptly disappears.Best left well alone.Apart from two or three hobby horses he promotes he has nothing to offer ,certainly nothing I'm interested in reading.

 

That's the bottom line whether Cus said it is irrelevant.Neither "poster" ,[and that's flattering them,] challenging this has come up with a even the semblance of an argument that disproves the statement" Choklab will happily waffle on typing vacuous BS till the cows come home all he requires is an audience.The lone other he is siding with I cannot adequately describe without being banned.

 

The other one I have blocked, but I couldn't help but view his posts in this thread because the discussion went down faster than the swarmers who tried to fight Foreman. All this thread did was validate my decision to keep him blocked.

 

One reason would be the word swarmer was not in use until well into the internet generation.