Cus D'amato - No Swarmer Beats Foreman?

Oh come on, take one for the team and go and re-watch it in slo-mo!!!!!

Foreman was spinning him early and got more aggressive as the round wore on. Frazier had some heart that's for sure.

 

Joe landed a NICE left hook well before the kds started. But Foreman amazingly just went right back to work.

 

I gave Frazier rounds 2 and 4 of the rematch. 2 is dull to be sure...maybe even, but if you didn't give him 4 I would call you an idiot and not care what you had to say. Clear Frazier Round. "never looked to be winning" is a pretty worthless description especially when I was replying to a post that said "give more of a fight."

How does "give more of a fight" equate to "looked to be winning"...are you a non English speaker or being deliberately weird?

I have no interest in debating further with either. I find posters who reply in strawmen are a waste of time.

 

My friend who was a huge Frazier fan saw Foreman get lit up with counters in round 4.

 

JUNE 28, 1976
SMOKIN' JOE BURNS OUT
THE SECOND FIGHT BETWEEN GEORGE FOREMAN AND JOE FRAZIER TURNED OUT TO BE A REPEAT OF THE FIRST, WITH FRAZIER BEATEN, AND THIS TIME FOR GOOD

• ROBERT H. BOYLE

https://vault.si.com/vault/1976/06/28/smokin-joe-burns-out

 

How are we defining "swarmer" anyway?

I see people often calling Tyson a swarmer, to which I say, how? He was aggressive but much more of a counter puncher than anything else.

 

Well aren't you in a mood and a half today - so passive aggressive. Your initial post was a rant as is this one. You said Foreman lost "rounds" in the rematch which means more than 1. You are the only person I've ever seen give Frazier 2 rounds.

Eye on the Ring, a decent guide, has 29 fan cards and only 2 out of those 29 give Frazier round 4. That makes for 27 idiots out of 29 people. One of them is our very own PhillyPhan69 who let me tell you is anything but an idiot when it comes to boxing. Rorschach is also there scoring round four for Foreman and he's one of the most reliable scorers around.

I too won't be continuing the debate as i have no wish to entertain someone that views such fine posters as idiots. I know who the idiot is. Enjoy your bubble.

 

If we are somehow categorizing Tyson as a swarmer, Tyson at his very best is my man here. Harder hitting than Frazier, more durable than Frazier, and doesn't rely on being real close up (so is less subject to the pushing). Although, he's going to need to not crouch, because crouching at mid-range vs George Foreman is, uh, a bad idea. He might be able to pull this off with a bit of luck, landing some great counters and combos in the first round, hurting George, taking the wind out of his sails.

Although if I can use Holyfield (he sure "swarmed" Foreman in their actual fight) the way we define things, he's my man instead given that he's actually beaten Foreman before.

 

I might take Tyson as well, but I don't consider him a swarmer really, nor Holyfield. My order would be Frazier>Dempsey>Marciano>Qawi.

 

He quit in the middle of the fight, in the middle of a round no less, because he realized he was going to leave on a stretcher if the fight continued. You could tell each punch George was landing was hurting him badly, and it wasn't helping him that the ref was letting George get away with as much pushing as he wanted.

Had old George fought that one like young George, though, that fight wouldn't have gone more than a couple rounds.

 

Tyson applied constant pressure and was real aggressive, but I wouldn't say he was a volume puncher. Holyfield was a volume puncher (he literally landed a 19 punch combo on Foreman when they fought), but didn't apply the same sort of pressure.

What do I know, I'm just some random dude on the internet, but I think it makes sense to separate volume punchers from pressure fighters.

 

Pressure fighter is the perfect way to describe Tyson. Pressure fighter, and swarmers/volume punchers aren't mutually exclusive no. I don't think Tyson fits the criteria for the latter, and Holyfield didn't fit the criteria for the former.

 

Well, if you're talking volume punching, Vitali Klitschko might be classed as a quasi-swarmer

 

Well that settles it.

/thread

 

Foreman has said he avoided Jerry Quarry although Quarry, when he chose to be, was way more than just a swarmer.