Daily Mail News: Eric Molina in talks for a fight with Anthony Joshua on Dec 10!

Yes, it changes things in that it will be easier to make, considering Ortiz is ALREADY ON THE CARD Dec 10.

If Joshua is fighting Molina Dec. 10, and Ortiz is in the ring an hour earlier fighting some pathetic TBA on the undercard ... it's going to be downright impossible for Hearn to get in there and say there was no one available for Joshua to fight.

All of Joshua's fights right now are high profile.

If Joshua announced he was fighting Ortiz on Dec. 10, it would be a HUGE fight. If it's a good fight, they can even rematch. It would be easy to do, because it's a voluntary and Joshua could insist on a rematch clause and they share a promoter.

There's no point in WAITING until Ortiz picks up another WBA belt. He's already won a WBA belt ... twice actually. I don't know how many times he needs to win a WBA belt for it to be a BIGGER fight.

These guys need to understand that fights are BIG when two names actually sign and then ENGAGE IN A GOOD FIGHT.

Enough of this ... let's wait until it "marinates" crap.

FIGHT. If it's a good fight, FIGHT AGAIN. FIGHT two or three times. Ortiz is pushing 40. Waiting isn't going to make him bigger star. FIGHTING THE TOP GUYS will make him a bigger name.

Nine times out of 10, when someone says "lets wait" until the fight "is bigger" ... the fight never happens. Ever.

Joshua-Ortiz is a big fight right now. A rematch next year (if the first fight is good) would be even bigger. Enough of the waiting.

 

He's available to fight in a 12 rounder at the exact same location, the exact same date under the banner of the exact same promoter on he exact same channel in the exact same division.

He's as available as it gets.

You're approach to this situation is different to your approach to the Wlad situation.

For me, Wlad choosing Browne over Joshua is a joke. Joshua choosing Molina over Ortiz is a joke.

For you its different. I'm not sure why.

 

Wrong. Hearn will big up the Otriz fight as AJ's next opponent in the post fight interviews and the mouths of every fan in the arena will start cheering from the rafters . They will literally be drooling in excitement after both men obliterate whatever guy was in front of them. He's building up a mega fight. That why he bought him. Its not a mega fight in 6 weeks.

 

^Look dude, all I know is Joshua-Molina is a s*** fight. I didn't even criticize Wilder for fighting the guy, even though it was a s*** fight then too (just a little less so).

You're busy preaching -and shouting- to the choir with your fingers in your ears. Good luck with that.

 

Wlad turned down a title shot. Ortiz brings nothing to the table. Unlikely Wlad will ever go at Joshua. Ortiz - Joshua is inevitable. Very different situations.

 

I wanna see Ortiz fight but I understand what Hearn is doing as a promoter.

 

I see it both ways, Luf. But the thing is, we have to factor in the reasoning why Hearn wouldn't want to put these two undefeated HWs in with each other right now... on short notice... when he's building up a mega fight between them, one that also has the potential to be an all Matchroom unification fight. One of these two will surely get KTFO when they do fight each other. There is no doubt about that.

If Ortiz were with any other promoter, I wouldn't be saying any of this. I'd probably be looking at it the same way Dubblechin is. (I still kind of see it that way too, but I just so happen to see both sides).

 

Since when have you been bothered about what is brought to the table?

Never thought I'd see you defending weak title defences like this.

 

If I was a fan of the business side of hinge I could understand.

But I'm a fan of the sport and of seeing the best fight the best , so I don't care about finances.

 

Don't really have to be a fan of the business side to understand why certain fights happen at different times, but we don't have to be fans of the business side to "get" why blatant ducking happens either.

Other than that, as far as your personal feelings go, I say "understood and likewise" to both points. If Hearn suddenly announced that AJ-Ortiz was happening in December, there's no way you'd hear anyone complaining about it. Of course we'd all be in tune for that one.

 

Exactly. Ortiz had nearly 400 amateur fights. He's won a WBA belt twice already. He's going to be 38 in March.

"WAITING" for the WBA to clear up the complete mess it's made, when they've been a mess for years ... in the hope that MAYBE next year Luis Ortiz will have universal WBA recognition and he and Joshua could stage some monster show ... is odd.

How many WBA fights will Ortiz have to engage in to be the ONE WBA heavyweight champ? How old will he be if he ever gets that far?

Joshua-Ortiz is as big a fight now as it ever will be. Ortiz can carry two WBA belts in the ring with him now. He's won two. Whatever WBA belt Ortiz brings with him isn't going to have more of a shine on it in 2017.

People want to see Joshua-Ortiz. Waiting for the WBA to sort itself out. Waiting for Ortiz to be 38 or 39 isn't going to make it bigger. They could fight twice before next summer. They could fight twice before Wlad or Wilder is available. They could fight twice before Joseph Parker is free to unify.

Waiting isn't doing anything but muddying the waters with a handful of fights nobody wants to see while WAITING for the names to actually get it on.

 

It's not about understanding , it's about caring I don't care at all how much Hearn can make on a show.

I only care about seeing the best fight the best.

 

Ortiz will likely never be as good as he'll be in his next match.

He's too old to be paying the waiting game.

 

I don't give a d**n how much he makes either. We don't see a dime of it, so that much is common sense. However, when you care about seeing the best fight the best, some degree of understanding goes a long way whenever it fails to happen. And it fails to happen quite often these days. The HW division in particular has been devoid of "the best fighting the best" for so long that this blow-up in here should've killed a few of you guys already, seeing as how a few of you refuse to attempt to rationalize anything despite caring enough to become irate.

As I've stated multiple times previously, I totally share your sentiments when it comes to disappointment on Joshua potentially facing Molina, so this thread became so long for nothing really. Wlad just recently pulled out, so if any of you don't get why Hearn hasn't yet decided to throw Ortiz in with Joshua in December (he *may* still do it, we don't know for sure yet), then just keep b**tchin' until it hopefully happens. I'll be the first to thank you if he does it.

Like I said, AJ-Molina is a s**t fight. It's a huge disappointment, period.

 

You know what, it'd be a nice fight for us hardcore fans. For the general TV audience, nobody knows who the F Ortiz is. He has zero following in the US and he's basically completely unknown in Europe.