D'Amato, and trainer Dan Florio believe Patterson beats Marciano

This.

Thanks for saving me the time it would have taken to type this!:good

 

ALL true

 

Caelum, I think your mind is made up so that's fair enough. But I, for one don;t think Marciano retired in order not to fight Floyd, nor do I think that The Rock waited for Floyd to lose his title before thinking comeback.

FWIW, I believe that The Rock would always be just a second away from sparking Patterson, anytime up to his mid 30s, possibly beyond.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.:good

 

Rocky thought he could beat Ingo. It takes more than a month to get a fight going, even back than, Rocky train for a month. During that month, There was already a rematch clause should Patterson lose(As was often the case) So Marciano was not going to get the first shot at Ingo even if Marciano went along with it.

By the time Ingo was flatten by Patterson in the rematch, Marciano had all ready decided to call it a day in regards to trying to come back. I think Marciano may have come back even vs Patterson, if the money was right, and he was in the shape he wanted to be. He knows his body and what it takes. The key word is the shape he wanted to be.

 

I haven't read through this thread but this seems to be a non-story.

I can't imagine Patterson's manager and trainer discussing him with a magazine writer and not saying that they thought he could beat Marciano, regardless of their private opinions.

 

Marciano but brutal, and I mean brutal KO

 

Floyd's speed would be negated by Marcianos far superior strength and power combined with floyd's average chin.

 

We never know for sure, but Rocky gave up on plans for the fight before Ingo Patterson II started. He train for a month in 1959, and perhaps thought even against some one like Ingo, He may not have the shot he did like he did in his prime. I just think had the training thing work out, and he still had it, perhaps he might have sign for a fight vs Patterson after Ingo II. The training was the key here to come back or not, and he seem to fail at it for his standards.

 

patterson beating marciano depended on marciano declining past a point that he did and patterson improving past a point that he did.

Marciano retired because once he had beat moore there was nobody rated worth fighting. baker and valdes looked bad in an eliminator and both were beat by moore. jackson had already been found out by valdes. Satterfeild then beat valdes but had already lost to charles, there was nothing left that the fans could bet on against rocky. There was no logical chalenger by april 1956 worthy of an outdoor fight.

Marciano waited until the april, the last month he could start training before he could fit in two fights before the end of the outdoor season. Six months was as long as he wanted to stay out of training.

Patterson was a light heavyweight right up until marciano anounced his retirement.

 

very true, I was good friends with a relative of Floyds who was close to the game, they knew Marciano was the wrong fight for Floyd and they were keeping Floyd far from the heavyweight division as long as Marciano was there and a few years later Cus did not want Liston either despite the talk. Funny but they all felt a healthy Floyd had the style to beat Ali

 

I think it was a good division it was just that what was left was capable established guys who had all found their level and untested fresh guys who were each about 4 big fights away from proving to be something.
Young machen, young johansson, folley were unrated kids in 1955-56. Pastrano and Jackson did have a rating but needed more to build on. Patterson was in another division.

with marciano out of the way cus reckoned his kid had more potential than the untested heavyweight kids coming through, I know floyd was already Moores light heavyweight #1 contender so cus must have felt he may as well beat the same guy for the other belt. however, it has never been explained how he leap frogged a lot of body’s at HW to make a fight with the rated jackson. There was a line of contenders who had fought their way into the top ten that were stepped over.

Patterson was indeed a real talent but it was a real stroke to enable a lightheavyweight to beat the lightheavyweight champion for the heavyweight title without making his bones against more than one real heavyweight contender. He did not get to meet the dominant heavyweight to get there.

Patterson was a light heavyweight who won the heavyweight title. It was some fete but I dont think it should detract from how much of a talent floyd was.

 

Like the Rock brutally KO'd virtually all his opponents?
I love Marciano.
A young Floyd may not have beaten Rocky but Marciano is not going to brutally KO Floyd (no one did)
Ingo? I often wonder how the first fight might have played out had Ingo tagged him with about 30 or so seconds left in the third.
Sonny? At least he wasn't belly up out like Lennox's two KO's; he was at least trying to rise and, as the old janitor I used to work with said: "Floyd's problem was that he tried to fight the 'people's fight' against Sonny."
And (this is another thread) IMO a prime Sonny is too much for the Rock.
Marciano wasn't physically huge enough to move Patterson around the ring.
I'll stop, I've heard all of this argument before but IMO if anyone says the Rock wades into Patterson fairly quickly and 'brutally' stops him I'm simply not buying that three day old fish as they said in the 50's.

And Rocky would have been foolish to attempt an Ingo scrap in the late 50's.