Damn Pac you officially s*****d on your fans...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by renyo, Dec 23, 2010.


  1. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    being lineal is good but the opposition during 2008 when the welter division was hot with a peak cotto, margarito, williams and mosley who still was banging with these younng guns is much better. i understand the oscar and hatton fights but he sgould have followed it up with cotto when cotto juts beat mosley and floyd just beat hatton. the biggest fight in welter/whole of boxing that did not happen in 2008. same case today with pacquiao.
     
  2. Ilesey

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    It's a **** fight but Mayweather has his own worries so Pac is probably just biding his time. Come to think of it, Pac has been in some real tough fights of late - so what if he takes Mosley? Give the guy a break, it's Christmas you miserable ****s.
     
  3. puga_ni_nana

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    floyd could have taken the shortcut now with a pacquiao fight. pac fought cotto, margarito and clottey. floyd fought mosley. this could have been for the undisputed ww supremacy.

    floyd taking on mosley at 147 is nice but it a little too late especially now that mosley is seen as hot. but if mosley woould beat pac, it would make floyd's win over mosley look more spectacular.
     
  4. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    These matchups would've been great. BUT, not taking them should not make or break his legacy. He moved up from 130, where he is, arguably, one of the best ever at that weight. Any fights moving up to WW, should really be classified no different than Pac's, since moving up in weight...icing on the cake, IMO.
     
  5. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pac could've taken the shortcut too. But, instead, he choose the long way, fighting less meaningful bouts against Clottey, Margarito(???), and now Mosely(???).
     
  6. puga_ni_nana

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    floyd still should have taken them. i understand that floyd was on the money track ever since the oscar fight. cotto is the biggest fight out there at the time. it's not the same money as oscar or hatton fights but it was still big back then. the pacquiao fight arguably is as big or much bigger than the oscar fight but floyd still won't take it.
     
  7. puga_ni_nana

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    both negotiated the first time and could not settle a point. they negotiated a second time but floyd needed a vacation. both are being primadonnas but we should have seen this fight on this year already. now with floyd having these all kind of troubles, this is the 2nd time floyd passed-up on his toughest welter challenge.
     
  8. Monstar

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    last year he was ducking mosley and this year he's being crucified for fighting him.
     
  9. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well...he should've taken them to appease his critics (like yourself), and they would've been great for the sport. But, he did not NEED those fights, unless his goal was to establish a legacy at WW. His HOF status was set before he stepped foot into the WW division. Many of these other fights were meant to position him for the Oscar fight. The Hatton fight was him cashing in on his newfound success. But, it was a good fight for boxing, too. He was on a roll, after that fight.

    Again...as a boxing fan, I wanted to see him take on Cotto, especially.That would've been a great style matchup. But, that fight was not NECESSARY, from a legacy standpoint. However, it would've been great on his resume. He will always have his legacy at the lower weights to fall back on, though.
     
  10. punisher

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    Both negotiated the first time and second time, and it appears they could not "settle a point" (once the smoke cleared). In addition to that, Floyd took a vacation and found himself in enough trouble to postpone any further negotiations, until these matters are settled. See how many ways this can be spun?
     
  11. Concrete

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    Mayweather would have fought Margo for 8mil, Cotto and Hatton for 10mil, and DLH for 20mil. Arum locks that contract up we see those fights. Instead Arum declines that contract. Mayweather then buys himself out of Top Rank and claims Arum owes him money. Arum and Mayweather then have beef.

    Mayweather hasn't fought a Top Rank opponent since. Looking back Arum F'd up as 8-10mil deals would have been a bargain. Mayweather and Arum never split we see all these fights.
     
  12. puga_ni_nana

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    the fight then was necessary as it is necessary now for him to fight pacquiao.
     
  13. puga_ni_nana

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    well 2nd time of negotiation, it was almost done if reports and interview from oscar was true. but i can agree on that.
     
  14. puga_ni_nana

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    i believe he was no longer with arum when the call to fight cotto backin 2008 was drumming-up. you could have a valid excuse that cotto is with TR and would push it now that pac is also with TR. in both cases, floyd took a vacation instead of taking the fight.
     
  15. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How was it necessary? Did it stand in his way of getting greater opportunities and bigger paydays? Was it required to seal his HOF or ATG status?

    That fight meant more for COTTO, legacy wise, than it did for Floyd.