Damn Vargas was good!

Yeah! What a conceited lil roidhead he was. I'm glad Oscar knocked him senseless, and thats saying something because I despise Oscar as well! I got my moneys worth on that pay-per-view.

 

LOL, life can be harsh. Careful you don't get served yourself, buddy. Talking **** on your fellow human beings post tragedy isn't exactly good karma. Unfortunately for you there may come a time when you learn the meaning of some lessons like that yourself. Try not handle it like a total loser. :!:

 

Exceptional fighter in his prime, had the potential to be great too. He fought very good opposition early and showed the skills and composure usually possessed by more experienced fighter. He fought a great fight against Trinidad and came close to winning against arguably the best version of Tito we ever saw. The way he came back from one of the worst opening rounds ever to completely handle Tito at times proves his toughness and ability. Had he been given a couple more years to develop, he may have very well defeated him. I was actually quite disheartened watching him get annihilated by that huge left hook in round 12 (How the **** did he get up from that anyway?), I really think he deserved to last the distance after such a great showing.


Vargas post-Trinidad was never the same, his punch resistance in particular seemed to have diminished a lot after eating those bombs for 12 rounds (as evident in the KO losses to DLH/Mosley). Unfortunately steroids, food, poor management and Tito Trinidad ruined what could have been a great fighter.

 

i dont wanna reply to this cause im sure some idiot will say i am bias and all but heres my thoughts

is he HOF worthy? maybe. with some of the people they let in these days. anyway. he didnt ROID his whole career. he did it for 1 fight and was being lied to. vargas NEVER looked that chiseled in the ring and i ever found myself saying before the fight, wow look at him he looks like a beast. i read that night even after his beating he drove to 3 seperate hospitals to give his urine for analysis. why would he do that? knowing he had **** in his system.

and the tito fight, those low blows were deliberate and i have read from tito fans that those wouldnt have changed the outcome and had little effect on vargas AKA what a crock of ****. without those INTENTIONAL low blows the fight is more so up in the air

and the wright fight was very, very close. i scored it 6-6 i believe and to that one guy who said winky wasnt in his prime. DUMB COMMENT. he was definitely in his prime.

 

Excellent insight, well stated.

 

But its true. Fernando Vargas ****ed up, and only he is to blame for it. He used roids and talked a lot of **** but when his big moments came he couldn't hang. :!:

Its ok though, he needed those 2 knockout loses to humble him and learn from it. I'm not hurting anyone by having fun posting in here. If you take me that seriously then maybe you need some of my good karma. :good

I just don't see how a young trashtalkin roid user is "good" for boxing, especially when he can't back up what he says. :huh

 

Only he is to blame for it? Just him? Or are all the professionals, fully mature adults, and boxing industry veterans that were supposed to be watching out for him and managing his career also to blame?

You just can't stop giving the poor guy the shaft - even after every thing he went through. You aren't being fair to Fernando Vargas. Like I said, the Universe seems quick to reverse this kind of **** back on people. Don't say nobody warned you. :censored

 

When Vargas fought for the title against Campas with just 14 matches under his belt he had never been past the 6th round, and at the time Campas was according to Jim Lampley "one of the most experience champions in the sport." Lampley said in reference to the 6th round thing "..yet another reason why so many ring experts raise their eyebrows at this choice.." Vargas had been in some tough fights even before he got to that point, but Vargas' tremendous power and some good luck carried him through several hairy situations. His team was matching him with all sorts of guys who could have potentially beaten him due to the complex circumstances of his inexperience. The whole situation was a time bomb. The Trinidad event made up for all that could have happened during the leadup to that meeting, all in one fight. That was the karma for Team Vargas, and Fernando was the one who had to pay for their cavalier campaign. Dearly.

 

exact same can be said about cotto vs judah

 

Alright, he is not completely to blame for it but you have to admit no one forced him to make all those bad decisions. Maybe I'm not being fair, but the world itself isn't fair and I use to watch Vargas since his first pro fights. I saw what he went through, but he had it coming and he was moving up too fast. As for the universe coming back at me, I don't agree on that...if anything, Vargas' failures should be an example of what NOT to do when you're trying to become a great champion.

 

I'd would've loved to see him get in there with Hector 'Macho' Camacho

 

People are still clinging on to this low blow bull ****? Look, I'm not the biggest fan of PBF, but he took a way harder shot to the balls and then went on to finish handing Zab his head as was ****ing expected of him. Great fighters aren't going to blame a loss on some low blows and neither should the fans. 3 low blows didn't lose Vargas that fight, dozens of flush shots to the head lost him that fight.

 

yeah, but in floyd's case he was owning Judah, and the single low blow did actually change things because Judah won a round after that and arguably stopped himself getting tko'd. So it made a difference to proceedings

but, in vargas vs trinidad, which was a pretty even fight by the time vargas lost, if its give and take and little between the two, two or three big low blows could potentially have made enough difference to swing things more against vargas than they would have originally.

 

That's cool, but I disagree. I have and always will feel that a plethora of flush shots to the face did far more damage than a couple of low blows.

 

well, i agree with you on that point, but if those low blows took away even just 1% of vargas' steam then that's enough to make a notable difference in a fight that close