Dan Goosen Is Protecting Paul Williams.

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  1. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    We've had a number of threads about how Pavlik should agree to a 50/50 purse split with Paul Williams. However, there are a number of problems with that assertion.

    There was no recent discussion of
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    on the purse, the gate, or the endorsement money between the fighters or promoters. That is not what Goosen demanded. He demanded
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    co-promotion of
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    fight card with
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    Top Rank World Champion in the main event. Goosen said the fight will never happen unless Arum agrees to that.

    Kelly Pavlik would have every right to tell Bob Arum to make
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    deal for an equal
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    on the purse, the gate, and/or the endorsements. He does not have the right to tell Arum how to run Top Rank, and therefore, he does not have the power to accept
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    co-promotion on behalf of Top Rank Incorprated.

    Goosen's demand took all negotiating power away from Pavlik. In addition, Goosen demanded something Arm told him "no" to 6 months ago. Nothing has happened to change Arum's mind, and Goosen knew that when he made his demand. When was the last time Arum gave another promoter 50% control over
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    Top Rank World Champion in the main event?

    In a nutshell, Goosen made a move that took away Pavlik's ability to negotiate, and then demanded something he knew full well Arum would not agree to.

    I know this is repetitive, but these are the facts, and there are numerous people around here who do not seem to know the difference between a purse split and a co-promotion.
     
    booradley, Jan 18, 2010
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  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Williams shouldn't be in there with Pavlik. If I were his people I'd try and get him out of the whole deal too.
     
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  3. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    if goosen is protection williams by making his last couple fights

    i dont know what you call what arum does for pavlik....
     
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  4. B u r n e r

    B u r n e r Williams= Beast Full Member

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    This thread fails consdering one glance at Pavliks latest competition.

    Rubio

    Lockett

    Espino


    Yet Pauls protected...LMAO.
     
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  5. Pantera2000

    Pantera2000 9 lives Full Member

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    Trust me when I tell you that Dan Goossen wants Paul Williams to fight Kelly Pavlik BADLY. Dan just wants things his way and is a tough negotiator. If he thinks he is being fair, there is no way he will back down.

    Arum may have to give a little, but if he does then the fight will happen. I assure you it has absolutely nothing to do with him afraid to put Williams in the same ring as Kelly.
     
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  6. aceshigh

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  7. Mr. HU

    Mr. HU KP vs BHop anniversary Full Member

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    Pavlik isn't "star" anymore!

    Right after the Taylor fight yes he had "star" status but since then he has done nothing in terms of what a "star" is suppose to do!!! Pavlik barely sold 4K in his home town!:verysad
     
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  8. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Please explain the relationship between your comments, and the situation at hand. There isn't one, unless you're claiming that Goosen demanded co-promotional rights over a fighter who can't sell tickets. How much sense would that make?
     
    booradley, Jan 18, 2010
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  9. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I have no interest in directions to you single wide trailer.
     
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  10. CottoDaBodykill

    CottoDaBodykill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ok these guys had a fight planned .. for december .. pavlick pulled out because he was too drunk .. or had an infection a cold who knows the point is he pulled out .. THEN fights a couple weeks later .. because you know he was done being hung over .. the infection cleared up ... whatever .. get over it .. you guys worship a drunk that got lucky .. bottom line .. he has no intention of fighting anyone worth a damn .. and will continue beating up on mexican cab drivers
     
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  11. Mr. HU

    Mr. HU KP vs BHop anniversary Full Member

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    :good
     
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  12. Moonchild

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    A point well made. Williams deserves better -- though just to take the fight and KO Pavlik once and for all seems to be in order.
     
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  13. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    I wouldn't call that "protecting", in all honesty. He's keeping his fighter away from KP now, maybe. But Williams never had any duty to be fighting KP in the first place. It was basically a gift to Pavlik all along - an easy win against a big name for a decent pay-day.
     
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  14. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  15. CottoDaBodykill

    CottoDaBodykill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this was the second time they left williams high and dry... they won't make this fight man .. pavlick don't want it anymore then you wanna fight williams ..
     
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