Dan Rafael thinks the fight will be cancelled...

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  1. Swollen Liver

    Swollen Liver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you aware of that:

    consensus on the maximum attainable number recorded, after metabolic breakdown, in Mexico for contaminated meat is 0.3ng (or 300pg, based on 2 pubmed studies). One of Canelo's samples was more than 2x higher :0.6-0.8ng/mg (judging on the espn obtained letter)
     
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  2. AJfan

    AJfan Member banned Full Member

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    GGG has a perfect excuse to walk away from a potential loss to Canelo in the rematch. He gets to forever say the first fight robbery and that Canelo cheated anyway. K2 and his team will be going mental at the NSAC trying to get the fight cancelled now.
     
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  3. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wrong. That was for the Bejing Olympics. That doesn't apply to Clenelo.

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/canelo-popped-for-clenbuterol.603227/page-190
     
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  4. Octolony shore

    Octolony shore Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I really hope it's not just cancelled, I want to see cheating clenelo take a real beating.
     
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  5. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    GGG has won, anyway this plays out. Obviously if it doesn’t go ahead he will lose out on the finances, but in terms of boxing, most know he won the first fight. And now, it would appear he was fighting a dirty Canelo. If they fight, there’s no way Canelo can walk away with any kind of victory; he either loses or he wins, but he’s already been branded a cheat, so GGG is the one elevated.
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You have too much of a personal attachment to denying the validity of the WADA statement, because it directly proves your prior statement to be false about how much clenbuterol is considered as possible meat contamination.

    What happened was . . . I fact checked you, and since it invalidated what you said, you became super defensive about it because the facts made you look bad. So you refuse to accept the WADA statement and are trying to argue that limit was only regarding the Beijing athletes. If what you were saying was true, then why would they apply an outdated standard to the re-testing in 2016?

    That's why you're so bitter about this and have resorted to namecalling so often. You shouldn't take this so personally, I was just bringing to your attention what WADA considers within range of meat contamination. The article makes it clear that those are their current standards and what they consider in range for meat contamination when they retested the Beijing tests, which was in late 2016. They clearly state that other cases involving clenbuterol have been treated in the same way as those identified through the Beijing Re-Analysis Program. (anything under 1ng/ml is in their range of possible meat contamination)

    There's really no need to continue to be upset by this. I think it's time for you to move on and accept what WADA considers to be their limit.
     
  7. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good to know.
     
  8. Swollen Liver

    Swollen Liver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’ve changed my avatar pic to support this since we cannot post pictures over here. Just take a look!!! Pretty interesting facts!!!
     
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  9. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I hope it is to be honest. Canelo is dirty and any other fighter would have had the fight pulled
     
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  10. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    All Rafael told you was the fight might fall through. It's still too early to tell but more then likely, the fight happens. Too much money to be made.

    But if doesn't, GGG vs. Saunders would still be an interesting match. CA caused this innocent or not. You're responsible for what you put in your body.
     
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  11. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    How much Clenbeturol and how long does it need to be used to see enhancing effects?
     
  12. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Even Francisco Vargas?
     
  13. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    He shouldn’t have been allowed to fight either they can’t get it right everytime
     
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  14. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Amounts were posted here several times, which for the 2nd failed test showed 600 pikograms / ml I think, which is 12 times more than what Contador was banned for I believe.

    Clenbuterol is a zero tolerance drug (unlike testosterone that naturally occurs in blood in small dosages), exactly because it is performance enhancing in ANY amount. According to drug tests, Canelo used clen at least for several days and at least for one day (2nd test day) much higher amounts than recent serious offenders that were banned. He used it during fight preparation so it absolutely DID enhance his performance. He's still reaping the benefits as he's preparing in the same camp.