Dan Rafael's #P4PRank Thoughts: P4P best of the last 25 years

I don't think you're a bad guy. Its just that you're so poorly educated that it's hard to have a discussion with you. The topics always go in circles.

 

maybe do some research.

 

Just waiting for you to drop this awesome name Tito beat at 160.

 

No.. you just fail to recognize things when they're right in front of your face.. That is not being objective, but rather a fanboy.

 

And I'm waiting for you to watch boxing on youtube before 2006

 

And I answered your question which was" so it took MAB 6 years to get over the plate thing"? I gave you the answer and some people would agree, but you hate it dearly because it somewhat takes credit away from your hero Manny Pacquaio.

 

Oh snap... How did you know he only watches boxing on youtube, not live?

Turbo Tastic!:deal

 

Like I said. You're too poorly educated to have a good discussion with.

 

:yep

 

If you don't want your questions answered honestly, then don't ask them.. Believe it or not people watch live fights and know stories behind the fights.. Watching fights on Youtube doesn't put things into perspective...SOWWEY

And I don't even think you knew about the plate thing until I told you about it, which is pretty sad since you're always trying to make a big deal about that win.

 

Sojar was probably Lopez' best win and it's barely anything compared to the rest of the top 10's best wins. Sojar had one good win vs Gonzalez in his retirement fight.

And Vorapin beat nothing but stiffs. Seriously they are the old school version of today's Jurgen Braehmer.

 

Youre just naming names now.

 

Brian Campbell specified that that list is not a list of who espn regards as the 'greatest' fighters of the last 25 years, ie the most accomplished, with their competition assessed. But it's a ranking of the p4p 'best'. Meaning the most skilled, and basically who would beat who who regardless of weight. This is supposed to be distinct from the prevalent atg rankings, which really matter more. You therefore can't use accomplishments and quality of opposition to rebut this list! It's going to be more subjective.

I personally have Hopkins as the 'greatest' fighter of the last 25 years, but indeed agree with espn that Mayweather and Jones are the p4p 'best' fighters of the last 25 years. Like Barrera was better than Morales but maybe didn't have a greater career. Pacquiao's accomplishments are similarly close to Mayweather's, but in terms of skill he is way overrated on this list. He was clearly outboxed by Morales in his prime, and Ricardo Lopez, Toney, and Whitaker would embarrass him if they were his size.

If we're focusing on skills rather than accomplishments, aren't there some overlooked fighters who should be acknowledged? I rate Quartey and Mark Johnson better than Cotto.

 

It's a vote with Teddy Atlas, Brian Campbell, Nigel Collins, Wallace Matthews, Carlos Narvaez, Bernardo Pilatti, Dan Rafael, Eric Raskin and Salvador Rodriguez contributing. So it's more than Rafael's opinion, and a decent consensus of the p4p 'best' fighters of the last 25 years.

 

Nine supposed boxing experts should have been able to come up with a better list than this. I would like an opportunity to question them personally. Some of the placings just wouldn't stand up to scrutiny.