Dan Rafael's #P4PRank Thoughts: P4P best of the last 25 years

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  1. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    very very on point post.

    GGG - no sig wins. You don't make the list off hype
    Chocolatito -no sig wins. You don't make the list off hype


    Guys who didn't make it that should have
    Tim Bradley - Numerous signature wins. arguable hall of famer
    Carl Froch - PLENTY of signature wins. Sure shot hall of famer


    Guys who are debatable (much more deserving than roman or GGG)
    Pavlik - Sig wins over jermain taylor. Much better than any wins that GGG or Roman have
    Sergio Martinez - Sig win over Paul Williams
    Chad Dawson - Sig win over BHOP (SK greatest win who people say should be on above GGG)
    Ricardo Mayorga - Sig wins over PRIME Vernon Forrest
    Vernon Forrest - Sig wins over PRIME shane mosley
    Ricky Hatton - Sig win over Kosta Tzyu
    Danny Garcia - Sig wins over Khan & Mattyshe
    Khan - Sig win over Maidana
    Marcos Maidana - Sig wins over Broner & Victor Ortiz
    Zab Judah - Sig wins over Spinks
    Joel Casamayor - Sig wins over nate cambpell, Diego Corrales, Lamont Peterson
    Diego Corrales - Sig wins over JLC and Casamayor
    Jose Luis Castillo - Sig wins over Stevie Johnston, Debatable fight with floyd and Win over casamayor
    Prince Nas - Sig win over Kevin Kelley
    Antonio Tarver - Sig win over RJJ PRIME RJJ!!!

    I could keep going with the debatable list...

    The more I think about it... it's completely ludicrous that GGG and Roman Gonzalez appear on this list. Not only are their signature wins not very impressive but their resume in their entirety are pretty ****ty. Filled with has beens or never was type of guys. That's no hating either. Both guys are still being built up and theyre at a point in their career age wise and hype wise that they should have either moved up for bigger fights, taken a big fight already or made something of themselves that simply hasn't happened yet.
     
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  2. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where is
    Ricardo Lopez?
     
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  3. Optimus Dime

    Optimus Dime Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Despite the being 60 years old and losing to Kovalev.. Roy Jones was the only fighter to beat Hopkins..

    But the younger fighter couldn't repeat it.. even the actual fight was almost razor thin.. I actually had a round in it..
     
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  4. Optimus Dime

    Optimus Dime Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Plus the fighters Hopkins whooped.. ended up whooping RJJ..


    But regarding the list.. all the usual suspects are there.. I would just jumble them around a bit..
     
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  5. Optimus Dime

    Optimus Dime Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Sometimes just because a fighter never did it.. doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened head to head.. Vitali > Wlad..
     
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  6. Smithy

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    I think he has Pac at first than mayweather second
     
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  7. Smithy

    Smithy Guest

    In terms of achievement and accolades Pac should be first.
     
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  8. Optimus Dime

    Optimus Dime Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Kman.. ultimately that's dumb.. it's not like Vitali and co never stepped foot in a ring..

    Or beat every man except for a Vernon Forest.. ultimately if they fought ten times we'd all fall in a title bout ranking.. but sometimes fighters lose twice to a Jermain Taylor.. that's how things go..
     
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  9. Optimus Dime

    Optimus Dime Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    [yt]OFM_a0g-UsM[/yt]
     
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  10. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    He doesn't have the names on his resume and didn't have the big fights the guys in front of him do. After he fought Hopkins and Toney in 1993 and 1994 he didn't do squat until 2003 and that was against a handpicked trinket beltholder. Jones was reluctant to take risks and make big fights. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins all took risks and won (and lost a few) Jones was too scared to do such. He refused to put it all on the line and prove himself. I think we both know why.
     
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  11. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    One of the worst lists I've ever seen in my life
     
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  12. Chiko_Tech

    Chiko_Tech Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would replace Chocolatito to Calderon. Calderon was very skilled and all the fighters that He beat where bigger than Him. He was even small for the minimum weight.
     
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  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Not horrible but not great either. Pea Whitaker at #8 is an abomination.
     
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  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Also GGG has no place on this list like others have said his key wins are a cruel joke.
     
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  15. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    **** where did your "Loss to Floyd" post go, I was rolling :lol:
     
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