Dana going off on one!!! LOL

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I would like someone to explain to me how it would have been better for the fans, the UFC or the sport in general if Dana had paid Chael $20 million and Anderson $25 million to fight.

Both guys earned multi-million dollar paydays anyway. But since Dana is apparently ripping everyone off, I wonder how much they should have been paid. Would $40 million between the two of them have been enough? And would that have been in the best interests of the sport or the fans?

And the same with a guy like Nam Phan, who has a small fan following but who is only just good enough to justify a place in the UFC. How much should he be getting paid? He's a company man who has been around for awhile. Should Dana be paying Nam Phan and everyone like him a million dollars per year? $150k per fight? How much is enough? :conf

Personally, I think the substantial performance bonuses are great. You want an extra $40k (after taxes) in your pocket? Give your absolute best effort when you step into the cage. Make your fight stand out on the card. Make the fans roar in appreciation of your performance, and you'll be rewarded for going above and beyond. :good

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Its all scripted boys..its like the wwf all over again.

Cant believe people buy into this sh*t

 

Irrelevant. Nobody tunes in to see Dana White when they pay for an MMA PPV or watch it on TV. Nobody, except maybe you.

Quite the opposite, he can make as much money as he pleases and i encourage him to do so. Just don't be upset when someone else who is also a business man with their interests negotiate from that position.

Yes he can.

Super. Doesn't change the fact that Jon Jones, nor any MMA fighter, owes one bit of reverence to Dana White nor should take a haircut for the UFC in demanding every penny the market declares they are worth. Do you think for one second Dana White would deal with the 'evil' of Jones and Jackson if he thought he wasn't making money on the arrangement? He's just upset that he isn't making even more.

Once again, irrelevant.

No, I don't participate in hero worship like you. He's a business man and made a business decision. He gets as much praise from me as any other successful business person. He saw a opportunity to make money and he capitalized.

No, he gives what he thinks will make him money. If another promotion was to rocket up the relevancy ladder with a young Light heavyweight champion who's blasting guys out like Jon Jones, do you think he would entertain a Co-Promotion to make that fight even if its what the fans wanted? No he wouldn't because it would not make him as much money on a deal that he desired.

That's great that they cover medical expenses. Doesn't change one thing about the issue of the canceled card. Dana White wanted Jon Jones to take a haircut to carry his **** poor fight card and he wanted him to get essentially jumped by having to fight Sonnen who knew well before Jones did that Hendo was not going to fight and was training.

If Dana wants to grow the UFC in that manner. More power to him. But make it worth Jon Jones' business instead of expecting charity via taking a financial haircut on what he should be earning.

If he's expected to do the most work by carrying entire cards by himself, then he deserves to make the most money.

Yes spoiled because for taking punches and kicks to the head, they want to make as much money as possible for trading brain cells for cash. Finances dictates who faces who in the UFC, just like in boxing.

Now you are talking to yourself I don't give a **** about if someone earns a $5K per fight minimum or $5M. They, the fighters, should be businessmen and earn as much per fight as the market dictates just like the UFC tries to make off of them. If Anderson Silva is worth $10M a fight, he should earn $10M a fight.

No. There are plenty of boxers that fight in Europe because they can earn more there, same in Australia, I would imagine. If Dana White really cares about growing the brand why should Jon Jones take a haircut on the issue? Why can't Dana, he and the Mafia bros own the company and therefore have the most to gain 10, 20, and 30 years down the road, none of the fighters around today have any benefit of those gains coming to fruition and therefore should not consider taking the haircut. If Dana White wants him to take haircuts for the long term growth of the UFC make him party to the long term growth by making him a co-owner of the UFC/Zuffa.

As much as he possibly can.

No it existed and was doing okay in Japan, not as well as now but he would have had a market to go to if he so chose.

So. Its now, not 2 years ago.

So it was Dana white that hopped in the ring and broke Brandon Vera's face, turned Matyushenko's head into a basketball, dominated Bader, and then ran over the top 5 fighters in the division like they were tissue paper. All Dana White's doing right? no Jones got to where he was because of Jones. The UFC allowed him to perform because they saw talent and realized it would be good for their financial well being to have young blood in the sport. He's delivered on his end of the bargain. If he wasn't what the UFC wanted he would have been cut or he would be fodder for another up and comer like Vera is.

So rich people can't get ripped off? No it isn't enough. Jones is in the business of getting hit in the head, if he thinks he can earn a nickel more for his services he should get that nickel if the market agrees. And judging by the fact Dana didn't cut him, is the case that Zuffa is blowing a lot of smoke.

Neither one owes the other anything other than what the maximum they can get out of each other. If Jon Jones doesn't sell do you think for one second the UFC would give a **** about cutting him? He could be the nicest guy in the world and suck up to Dana from now to the day he dies and Dana White would cut him if he didn't make the UFC money and Jon Jones should be willing to leave the UFC by some mismanagement they stop being lucrative venture.

Don't really care if you do.

 

Owned by a noob. :thumbsup

 

The product was there before Jon Jones. He didn't build it and it'll be there after he's gone. Jon Jones makes his money off the UFC, not the other way around. The brand is more important than the individual fighter. That's part of boxing's problem - the individual PPV star fighter holds ALL the cards, and the sport is strangled because of it.

Sure, Jones has nothing to respect or appreciate Dana White for. He owes Dana nothing. It's not like the guy essentially built the sport that Jon Jones has made millions off. I'm sure that without Dana, Jones would still be a multi-millionaire professional fighter with a Nike deal. Dana was such a minor, irrelevant figure in Jones' rise to riches and stardom. :roll:

Dana has certainly made serious missteps, and not just one or two of them. But his approach has been WILDLY successful, to the extent that objectively, he might be the most successful combat sports promotor in history. Yet all you ever hear from the "experts" on this forum is how stupid and evil and destructive he is, and how he's running the sport into the ground, and how he needs to change everything that's gotten the UFC to this point.

He'll try to get the new guy into the UFC, so he can fight all Dana's guys.

You prefer constant co-promotion negotiations for one-off fights?

So we can get even more Pac-Floyd situations, or have Fedor not fight in the biggest tent because M1 won't let him?

You can **** on Dana for not wanting to co-promote with regional companies looking to cash out on one guy. I'd rather all the best guys be dealing with the same matchmaker and fighting each other on the regular.

The card was weak, but also was hit by bad luck. Any card is gutted if its top two fights fall through.

I don't think that Jones NEEDED to fight, and if I were him then I wouldn't give in either. I think it was a shitty, low-class move by Hendo to keep his injury secret from his bosses and try to manipulate his training partner into an undeserved title-shot ambush. :-(

How the **** do you know what he "should" be earning? :blood

Do you know what it costs to run the events, provide the medical coverage, pay everyone's wages and travel costs, and all the rest of it? No.

Do you know how much Jones pockets for his troubles? No.

So how can you take it as a FACT that Jon Jones is getting underpaid?

Is he really doing the most work?

Is he putting in the most hours, or dealing with the most problems?

And remember, Jones wasn't "singlehandedly" carrying the card. They had a main event that everyone had been looking forward to for months, plus a solid Ellenberger-Koscheck main undercard fight. After the two main fights fell through with less than 3 weeks remaining, yeah Jones is left holding the bag. That's bad luck. In the PRIDE days, he would have fought regardless. In the UFC, he has the financial freedom to make his own decision according to what he feels is right for him.

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These guys were getting punched and kicked for free, just for the challenge and love of it, for many years before anybody paid them a dollar for it. All of them were. They WANT to get kicked in the head, it's not a torture or a punishment for them. They want to be there because they love to fight. They love the competition and they love the attention. Other men have other dangerous hobbies that nobody pays them to risk their health doing. Quit trying to make it sound like being a pro fighter is a noble, selfless calling. :good

So the fighters should gobble up ALL the money on the table?

What about money for growing the sport? Developing new markets? Putting on shows in different continents? Advertising the product?

When the UFC spends money to make "TUF Australia vs England", would it have been better if the money they spent on that series had flown into the pockets of half-a-dozen PPV headliners, like it would in boxing? Because the bigger the % that goes into the fighter's products, the fewer options the UFC has for growing the sport.

Now every PPV headliner has to own a piece of the UFC before you're happy?

Just like how Tom Brady is a co-owner of the Patriots, right?

Come on now.

Take away Jon Jones, and Dana White is still making money.

Take away the UFC, and Jon Jones does not have an international Nike endorsement. Simple as that. Jones owes his financial fortune to the UFC, because without them he wouldn't have the platform to show his MMA skills.

He has plenty of nickels, and many more of them to come.

You can cheer for a main event where the UFC has to shell out $50 million to get two signatures on a piece of paper for one fight. It's worked out great in boxing, after all.

I would rather see the top guys become multi-millionaires, the mid-tier guys earn a good living, and the journeymen make a living wage.

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I will save you Dana!!!!

 

Are they serious with those photos :roflatsch

 

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha ahahahaha ****ing nobs!