Dana White on the Business of Boxing

So what? What exactly is that supposed to be an indication of? Barnett Nog Fedor and CC. 4 of the best heavies in the world. NONE were in the UFC at the time. Shall we compare that to merrigoround with Arlovski Sylvia and Mirs form just after his car crash? Even Brandon Vera gave him a brutal beat down as did Marcio Cruz so what exactly is your point? Sylvia meanwhile got owned in under 50 seconds and Arlovski is no longer with the UFC. Other than that they had Jeff Monson to boast about who also is no longer with the UFC who himself got owned by Sylvia.

As for comparing there performances in the UFC thats completely futile. Its apparent as light is present during day that Nogs best days were in PRIDE. CC is the same. Remember the OWGP back in 2006 when he handed Wandy one of the most brutal KO losses ever witnessed in a PRIDE ring? Or his beat down of Barnett back to back? But hey there all on gear right?
Pretty ironic coming from a Coleman jock like you. UFC fighters have been busted repeatedly for gear abuse. Sylvia was on it. Barnett was banned for it. And recently surprise surprise Sean Sherk was found to be on them. Those are just the notable cases. You best believe it testing or not theres plenty of guys in MMA on hormones.

As for fighters being hyped up thats more hogwash. Il judge them by there peformances. I watched CC Coleman Shogun Fedor etc do great things in the PRIDE ring. Thats hardly hype is it. Hype is Lesnar getting a title shot vs Randy when his done NOTHING to deserve it. But hey it made the UFC good money right? Meanwhile Kongo has been in the UFC for a minute and still cant get a title shot? Machida keeps winning and still doesnt get a title shot. Knowledgeable my ****ing ass.

 

The interim title was dished out because Randy was inactive due to an outstanding dispute with Dana/Zuffa. And rather than let the title go stale he gave us Big Nog vs Sylvia for the interim belt. Bit pointless really as as soon as Randy came back Lesnar got a title shot. The UFC does what is best for its business as a whole. Thats no diffrent to any other ABC org. They certainly do not do whats best for there fighters. If they did they wouldnt be paid such feeble amounts. The undercarders make pittance. There pay isnt enough to even cover there expenses.

 

I don't and Fedor is the exception. UFC does have the best overall roster when you look at all the weight divisions. As far as Lesnar goes I too think it's comical how somebody with his limited experience to have gotten a title shot. He has to fight Mir again and win to really validate himself.

All Im trying to say is that White has structured UFC in a way the benefits the fans. The PPV buys supports my opinion because the UFC numbers for the most part have been better the the boxing PPV numbers this past year. I'm not saying I necessarily like the guy but I respect what White's trying to with his company and I would like to see boxing with a similar structure.

 

The UFC is a business that is PART of MMA. It is NOT MMA nor is it the face of the sport. Its not possible to compare a sport with a business model. The UFC looks after its own interests as does every other promoter ABC etc involved in boxing. Thats the nature of business. The only reason why the UFC is doing so well is because they have a shred businessmen at the helm, billionaire backers and an economic model that pays peanuts to there fighters. They also do a great job marketting there UFC product to the West. So far the UFC has bought PRIDE WFA and the WEC. Competition is good for any business and ANY sport. The UFC is no diffrent. If Danas was interested in the sport as a whole he would cross promote and work with other orgs. In that essence it makes him no diffrent to any other ABC in boxing. Seeing as he was a failed boxing promoter thats hardly surprising.

 

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They could certainly do with it. The problem is the UFC is untouchable in the world of MMA now. There the biggest org out there and you arent going to bite the hand that feeds you. Dana is essentially the promoter for any fighter in the UFC. As long as he is the promoter aswell as the president of the UFC that doesnt leave fighters trying to earn a buck much bargaining chips. With a 10% stake in the UFC he looks after his own interests first.

 

It's funny how you use Cro Cop in the OWGP as him being in his prime, and point out his great performances in the OWGP... yet he came to the UFC directly after that, got his ass whipped, and then all of the sudden he was past it. Must be nice to go from being at your best to being shot in 7 months time when it fits an agenda. When Cro-cop came to the UFC, he was AT THE TOP of his game. People were talking about how he would beat Fedor in a rematch... he loses... he's shot. For ****'s sake, people lose when at their best, it happens. The only reason people say bull**** like that is because they want to keep pretending like Pride was so much deeper than the UFC. However, for some reason one of the top 3 fighters in pride came over and got dominated by a couple of fridge contenders in the UFC. Herring came over, and got dominated... Nog just got dominated... it just keeps happening, and people just keep making excuses.

 

I agree that the UFC is just like any other sport in the sense that they are looking out for themselves first and foremost, but how is that different than any other sport such as baseball or basketball. The NBA isn't basketball but it's the number one professional organization in basketball. It's widely excepted that they feature the best players in the world. I guess if one wanted to dispute that one could say that the best Euro team could potentially be better than the Celtics and that the NBA should expand themselves abroad in an attempt to settle the debate.

As the ppv buys get bigger and the individual fighters get more commercial recognition the the fighters will eventually get paid more. My understanding is currently the UFC pays each fighter (x) amount just to show up and then the winner gets an additional cut. I actually think that's a good idea and something that boxing should look at.

 

It just honestly cracks me up listening to you guys talk about how bad these fighters have it... when I know a lot of them, and they absolutely love it. Painting Dana White out to be this Devil, when in reality, the fighters (all but a few who think they are bigger than they are) like him, and he is cool as hell with them. He carries himself in a sarcastic manner a lot, and people don't get that.

Watch some videos, and see how he really interacts with people. Not quite as evil as he is made out to be.

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Who`s making excuses? Isnt that exactly what you did to try and make your point? :roll: Ray Charles can see Nog is shot. He can also see Wandy and CC are defintly done. If you dont believe me watch his awful peformance vs Overeem. Matter of fact today at the Fields 2008 weighin CC sounded completely jaded with his comments that he didnt even know how he was going to beat Choi. Certainly sounds like a fighter having an off night right?

Now why dont you mention the PRIDE fighters like Rampage who came and took Liddells title with a devastating KO. Anderson also did the same. Or have your forgotten that?

 

I am sure that Cro-Cop is dealing with confidence issues now. However, we aren't talking about Cro-Cop right now... we are talking about when he was claimed to be at his best... got destroyed AT THAT POINT, and now in hindsight... people act like was shot. It's a ridiculous way to look at things. Fighters simply don't go to being at their best, to being shot in under 7 months.

You are acting like I am not a fan of pride fighters. I was just as big a fan of Pride, than I am of the UFC. I watched every event from both of them. I am just balanced enough realize that both sides have a lot of talent. There were guys from pride that came over and did great. No doubt, just like guys from the UFC went over to pride and did great. Some guys from the UFC went over and lost, and guys from pride came over here and lost... that is my point. Nobody had all of the best fighters in any division. Rampage came over and did great, and then got beat by a guy from TUF show. That's is what I am trying to tell you... Pride and the UFC were both stacked with talent.

 

No doubt. Most when they saw his performance at OWGP were calling for a Fedor rematch. PRIDE subsquently went defunct and CC entered the UFC to the PRIDE theme. The guy never wanted to be there and much like when he fought Randleman the first time thought he was being handed a gimme. Since his career has gone down the shitter and i can only conclude from this that mentally and physically he is spent. The guy has been battling a myriad of injuries for sometime and just doesnt have it in the ring anymore.

 

This they were. But its fairly obvious that during PRIDEs hey day there heavy division was much deeper than the woefully thin UFC`s.

 

Scur... we argue a lot. However, I find myself loving you.

 

Less of the love **** ok. :fire