DANA WHITE TRASHES THE BOXING INDUSTRY HERE IS MY RESPONSE

Oh yeah, the dude with roid rage who rips off crotch sniffers hence the bank account. A conman like his orange chum.

 

Stick them in a telephone booth and you'll see who comes out breathing. The Gypsy King.

No 6'4" roid midget is escaping that phone booth

 

What happened to Japanese MMA?

With a reported attendance of 91,107 (though other sources claim 71,000), it remains the highest number of attendance for a live MMA event in the sport's history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_Shockwave

If MMA's promoter centric model is so good & foolproof then why hasn't Japanese MMA ever recovered from the demise of Pride FC?

Meanwhile Boxing in Japan is being taken to new heights with Inoue, Teraji, Nakatani, Ioka

Boxing's survival doesn't depend on Top Rank & Bob Arum or PBC & Al Haymon. It depends on the next Pacquiao or Canelo & there will always be 1 around the corner

People have been saying Boxing is dead for 100+ years now

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...ogramming-in-2024.710444/page-9#post-22533428

But as a wise man once said:

"Fear not, when all the kid games have faded to lore, people will still fight with their fists for money."

 

Boxing took a huge hit when al haymon left golden boy and took their fighters , and when top rank left hbo, since then boxing has been a on a steady decline

 

Also people pining for the good old days forget the days when the mob virtually ran Boxing under guys like Frankie Carbo or the days when the entire communist bloc was shut off from the pro game depriving Boxing of who knows how much talent

Boxing is more global now

Look at the prominent names in recent years, how many of them come from the former communist bloc?

Beterbiev, Bivol, GGG, Kovalev, Lomachenko, Usyk, Breidis, Dorticos, Klitschko brothers. In former times most of them would have finished their careers in amateurs

Look at the guys coming up now from the ex communist countries like Otabek (126), Janibek (160), Jalolov, Dychko (I don't know if they will ever amount to anything unless they step up their opposition rapidly but people alk about them as the next potential top HW's)

Imagine what Zhang could have done for Boxing in a huge market like PRC if he was 10 years younger, still he at least made his mark now. Before Deng's opening up, he would have died in obscurity in the amateurs

 

You indicate everything that's wrong with boxing here tbh.

It's too business oriented.

As fans we don't care about the business side, we just want competitive matchmaking.

UFC gives us that time after time.

 

For half of my life following the sport (the first half), boxing broadcasts (especially on network television - NBC, CBS, ABC) primarily just televised the main event.

Sometimes they'd show one undercard fight just before the main event, but the main event was basically the only bout featured.

That's the way HBO did it for close to 40 years or so. And everyone thought they were the best. Cool prefight features on both fighters, set the stage, show the big title fight. Everyone leaves happy.

The undercards on most of those events were just as one-sided or lame, but we didn't see those.

We just got the main fight, and sometimes a good featured bout before that.

When home PPV really kicked in during the 1990s, Don King knew cards were going to run many hours, so he tended to load up the undercards with title fights. Fans really liked that. (It was wonderful).

Bob Arum hated it, because he was old school and was used to the old way of just throwing anyone on undercards.

When Arum got into showing a lot of PPVs with Oscar early on, Arum just tossed in fights with Butterbean and Mia St. John. He still didn't care.

After HBO bowed out and Don King got old and faded away, and Arum kept putting on PPVs, the undercards still tended to suck, but he would put maybe one other title fight somewhere on there.

Now we have stations like DAZN, and the like, and Eddie Hearn in the UK, and they show every fight on the card no matter how bad the fight or the matchup is. It's just content to fill the time. You turn it on when some prelim guys are on, and five hours later the main event hasn't even started yet.

And fans complain things aren't as good as they used to be.

The promoters either need to load up the undercard with good fights (which most can't afford to do), or JUST SHOW the quality matchups on the card and leave off the rest.

MMA cards do tend to have better quality matchups overall but they don't pay like boxing does.

If boxing promoters don't feel they can afford to load up a card, then just don't televise the crap fights. People don't really want to start watching a card at 6 p.m. or 7 p.m. and still be watching at midnight anyway.

Most Tyson fights on HBO started at 9 p.m (in the Chicago area) and were done by 10:30, at the most. Everyone was fine with that.

If you're only going to put one great fight on a show, just show that and be done with it.

You can't charge as much, but people will be more apt to buy more cards if they are just getting a couple excellent matchups and people won't feel as ripped off paying $90 for five hours of mostly garbage ... and then insisting they'll never buy another card again.

I don't think promoters are helping anyone charging huge fees for PPVs with fans getting mostly garbage undercard fights.

Charge a lot and put a lot of good fights on, or charge a lot less and just air the quality few fights on the bill.

 

Absolutely, ground breaking tv.

 

I find UFC unwatchable. Its just glorified street fighting although I must admit I do like watching the women grapple each other haha.

 

No, there some great BJJ displayed in a lot of MMA fights and the kicks can be devastating, some of them have good boxing skills too.

 

Couldn’t agree more. Look at Usman and Volk coming in to save that show. The beauty of the UFC model is the power of the brand. Their shows sell out before the full card is announced.

Boxing is so fragmented. If a big fight is made within 3 years of it happening we are lucky. While their fans argue on here about who is the A side and bragging about how much their favourite boxer gets paid.

A good comparison tool is the odds. Put a pound on every favourite in a boxing event. You will not make evens. Most of the undercard is a mismatch. Rarely the case with UFC

 

In that environment where Fury doesnt even have distance to work with Jones would put Fury in the exact same choke he won his last fight with, almost immediately. Fury would quite literally not be breathing within a matter of seconds.

 

No disrespect intended but if you see MMA as "glorified street fighting" its because you dont recognise the actual technical aspects of the sport. Its far more technically deep than boxing, albeit less "pretty" to watch.

 

No Yakuza money to burn and more competition for elite foreign talent (who made up most of the top guys in Pride) to go to than there was in the 90s and early 00s. Lets be honest the only reason anyone outside of Japan paid attention to Pride in the first place was the foreign fighters like Fedor, Cro cop, Rampage, Wand etc etc, without them its a domestic promotion. Very similar situation to what happened to K1. If a Japanese promotion had the ability to sign a comparable ratio of elite global fighters that Pride had, it'd be big again, simple as that.

 

You just proved my point

That Japanese MMA can't rise on the back of Japanese fighters, it needs a promoter doing well

Boxing doesn't depend on that for survival, if Ohashi promotions dies tomorrow then it doesn't mean Boxing dies in Japan. Boxing was there in the days of Harada, its here in Inoue's day, & it will be there in Japan after he retires (may be Hayato Tsutsumi or Junto Nakatani will pick up the torch)

I remember MMA fans used to talk so much sh*t about Boxing's imminent death 15 years ago saying after Mayweather or Pacquiao, no one is gonna care & then Canelo came along. Meanwhile MMA has been dead as a dodo by past standards in a huge market like Japan, seems to me that its MMA that's on a death spiral going by such logic