Daniel Dubois Returns June 5th facing Bogdan Dinu

Bogdan Dinu just fought two bums with a combined 20 losses. Prior to that he got knocked out in consecutive fights by Pulev and Miller.

Dubois is coming off a loss.

And this is a title fight. In a division that already has a WBA Super, Regular, and Gold Champion.

The WBC has been doing some embarrassing stuff lately but the WBA never forgets to remind us which governing body is the biggest joke.

 

I never saw joyce throw any counters when dubiis did take it to him. It was mostly just the jab

 

Have to agree that Joyce controlled the fight using his jab. It seemed plenty good enough for the task at hand, though.

Joe is not all that much of a counterpuncher. That's reasonable because he doesn't have particularly quick hands (just heavy ones).

 

Joyce walked him into a few counter rights later in the fight but it's true Joyce didn't counter much but then he really didn't need to he was winning the fight with pretty much just his jab.

Problem Dubois had is when he did attack he so often missed and was left out of position. He was never really able to mount much of an attack and because he was having so little success landing became hesitant to throw, which can happen if you are made to miss and miss again. Fact is Joyce never really needed to counter more because him just slipping Dubois' first lead punch and moving off was often enough to completely shut down Dubois' offense.

 

Imo he had success most of the instances he did get aggressive and just unloaded his hands. A lot of the times he backed Joyce up or got him to clinch and landed his most meaningful blows. Joyce slipped a lot in round 2 but other times Dubois was tagging him quite a bit. It was his inexperience that really led to his downfall. Barley went to the body inside and had no head movement. Joyce jabbed his face in but it wasn't a dominant performance

 

If Dinu doesn't show up to lie down Dubois could be in trouble. He has the skills to cause Dubois fits and who knows if that eye could be a factor early as Dinu has a nice stiff jab.

 

Dinu can look pretty good when working that jab. Using it to bother Dubois' injured eye is a good gameplan.

But Dinu doesn't come in off that jab and while it's good - it's probably not hard enough to stop a determined fighter in his tracks.

If the eye is not a factor, I'd take Dubois to stop Dinu by Round 5. While Dubois is more than capable of simply blasting him out of there - recent fights suggest Bogan's heart isn't up to much and he's probably not willing to be hurt.

 

Well the WBA had Deon Nicholson at #5...one ahead of Apochi at #6 - who then proceeded to obliterate him in 3 rounds. So your statement definitely packs some credibility!

 

Sanctioning bodies driving themselves into irrelevance.

 

Dinu is probably my favourite of the under-achievers.

 

True. If Dinu has had the full upgrade, ala wizard of Oz: Heart, Brain and Courage, and Dubois comes in sub-optimal then it could be interesting. I get the feeling, mind you, that Dinu has a loser's mentality

 

Joyce was behind on the scorecards.

 

Wasn't just inexperience that led to his downfall it was a lack of ability. The way you describe it all he had to do is throw more, but problem is even if he threw 200 more punches, he would of likely just missed nearly 200 more punches and he looked tired after a big effort in rd 3, no way he could of kept a more aggressive game plan up without gassing badly even if he could get into a position to throw more.

We often hear form the less knowledgeable boxing fans how after a puncher loses that he should of done more, been more aggressive and it would of changed things but boxing isn't that basic and simple. You have to be in a position to throw and land and if your opponent doesn't allow that via movement you'll suddenly see a puncher's work rate drop as they are unable to get into position to land. We've seen it time and again Hopkins/Tito, "Tito should of thrown more", Fury/Wilder 1, "Wilder should of thrown the right hand more" it's not a case of them not throwing more it's them not being allowed to throw more.

Fact is Dubois is predictable, 99% of his attacks start with the jab and all Joyce had to do was slip to his right and move off. Joyce was shutting down Dubois' attacks before he got them going by just slipping that jab again and again. This wasn't a case of Dubois not doing enough it was a case of Joyce not allowing Dubois to do enough.

The fight was competitive to a degree though the official scorecards were way off. I saw a fight where Dubois was often fighting at his limit trying to compete on his opponents level, having the odd big moment but then forced to ease off as wasn't physically able to sustain that level of aggression for long. While Joyce was never out of first gear and still winning the fight and was never forced adapt his initial strategy. You only have to hear the corners in the later rounds, Dubois' corner was desperate talking about not letting Joyce take it from them and Joyce's corner were calm saying he was busting Dubois up just prior to the stoppage.

 

Score cards sucked, the fix was in, just look at the rd by rd thread, it was competitive but most people had Joyce winning a close fight here and people as early as the 4th rd were predicting a Dubois loss or even Dubois getting stopped which proved to be prophetic.