Daniel Dubois vs Joe Frazier primes

They ALWAYS rush in.
Joshua ko'ed Ngannou (who was 0-1 in pro boxing competition)
and Wallin and everyone jumped back on his bandwagon, declaring
he is some boxing ATG who would be more than a match against past greats
because of his size.

They conveniently forgot .
He showed the same lack of good defensive head movement or chin
against Ruiz in their 1st fight, and other fights he happened to win,
that he again showed in this ko loss
to Dubois.
I'll say it again, as I said well before his first loss,
Joshua can't fight, at least not on the level of well trained
ATG'S of the past. Now of course his sheer size and athleticism would
give him a distinct advantage over Dempsey, Johnson ,Patterson or Marciano.
But even they wouldn't be easy for him.
Now the latest flavor on the month is Dubois.
It's conveniently forgotten he basically quit against Usyk because of exhaustion
not because he was hit with something truly powerful (He was stopped by a jab
from Usyk)
Now suddenly he's a match up problem for Frazier?
Please....
Again someone has posted the same nonsense of well "Foreman handled Frazier
so a bigger man like Dubois would be a serious problem for him". Troupe.
They don't understand Dubois fights nothing like Foreman did, or wasn't as skilled as Foreman was.
Dubois is the typical stand up European style boxer that would give Frazier room to work and close
distance.
And if pity - pat punching Usyk made him quit, what would a study stream
of viscous and bad intentioned left hooks from different and unexpected angles from a relentless
and proven 15rd fighter like Frazier do to him?
My opinion is he wouldn't make it to the 6th rd against Frazier in his prime.
Dubois and Joshua are really about the same and same skill level.
In this fight Dubois just happened to hurt Joshua early, and that
seemed to discombobulate him for the remainder of the fight until
he walked into a punch more substantial later on.
If they fought again, Joshua probably gets off first
and may do the same to Dubois.
There's little difference between the two.
Nothing special about them either.

 

Picked Frazier KO but Dubois could overpower him

 

Dubois is absolutely massive, It's not insane to pick the more powerful man that's 50 pounds heavier. Frazier could melt him but it is indeed different eras.

 

Hi Buddy.
You make some sane and salient points regards Foreman, all of which I agree with, add to that, the Frazier that turned up in Kingston was ( I would venture ) the worst Frazier I ever saw, he was fat, shorts up to his nipples, looked soft and flabby, even the gloves looked big for him, not saying Foreman wouldn't have beaten the FOTC Frazier, but I think it would have been a bit more competitive, also I know the forum and the posters have the right to pitch any fighters against whom they choose, but surely Dubois, sharing the ring with an ATG, renowned for his courage, heart, and fighting spirit, is a tad early no ?
stay safe Rollin, chat soon mate.

 

My all time favorite fighter. ****ing warrior!

 

I’ll always pick a skilled big puncher over Frazier. Too easy to hit.

 

Cheers.

Eddie Futch said Frazier's training camp looked like a party, and when he pulled Kenny Norton aside, he told him he feels Joe lost his drive.

 

I only really disagree with one thing here.

Joshua should avoid a rematch with Dubois like teh plague.

 

I don't know J.
It seems to be one of those situations where whoever
lands with something substantial first, probably wins.
In the last fight Dubois happened to land a solid
shot 1st. The right hand he caught Joshua with
while he was backing straight up, with his chin
up in the air, just begging to get cracked.
Dubois cracked it. Joshua wasn't the same after it.
And appeared discombobulated by it the rest of the fight
eventually walking into the punch that ko'ed him.
But Dubois was dropped and stopped by a jab from
Usyk. He made no effort to get up, and appeared clear
eyed.
He was more exhausted than anything else.
As I wrote in a different post they are two sides
of the same coin.
Whomever landed something substantial first,,,,,,

 

He was blind in one eye, had short arms due to medical issues, and a fractured thumb during the Olympics. Lets be honest, he basically is.

 

You don't know who wins?

 

Oh Lord

 

Amen.

 

Frazier overcomes adversity and finishes Dubois late

 

Did I misspell his name ?

Daniel Dubois.

Over the last nine months he KO'd three opponents, two of whom were undefeated, and two of who were ranked top six at heavyweight.