Daniel Jacobs vs. John Ryder - the standalone IB RBR scorecard

Go back and watch the fight a little closer. The first six rounds were nip and tuck, neither man was dominating the proceedings. Yes Danny was working him with the jab and occasionally landing a counter right, still Ryder would have moments of success, backing him to the ropes, and getting in some body work, to keep most of those rounds razor close. And YES... those little picking and pecking shots COUNT. They are scoring shots. Not sure why people don't seem to either notice or score them. So most of Jacobs' work was being negated to a degree by his inside game. Think about it, 3 or four rights, vs. about 15-20 little shots on the inside. What counts for more. So I shaded a few of the early rounds his direction. It's quite simple.

 

From @Serge

Many of the same people who will cry robbery because an American dared to use their passport for a change and lost a close fight are the same ones who try and downplay Usyk winning, defending, and unifying every single one of his world title fights in his opponent's backyards sans once which was on neutral turf and who act like winning on the road, especially in your opponent's backyard, isn't that much more difficult or impressive. In fact Usyk has fought in his opponent's backyard in every single one of his fights since he was 9-0 sans once against Mchunu

 

That's great... I don't care what people think... that's pretty obvious. They're wrong. The moment seemed to get to most of the people on here, and they lost their minds. Somehow saw a fight with the first six being back and forth hard to score rounds, as a domination. Understand something, I denoted them as close for a reason, and I also said a draw was fine. Most ended up having the match 115-113 Jacobs or 114-114 and a few 115-113 Ryder. So the idea that everyone is saying, one or two rounds based on activity being swung in the other direction, is somehow incredulous, is patently absurd.

 

From @Serge

Maybe if Juan Ryder jacked himself silly with PEDs and had the judges in his pocket everytime he fights and therefore all those fights he was robbed in were scored in his favour many would give him more props

 

From @exocet76

Boo Hoo go back on your mothers teet. your crying is pathetic.
Maybe you (BoxMan) and Olu should console each other you pair of fudge packers....

 

From @f1ght3rz

116-112 Ryder on my card. Jacobs did NOTHING. Yeah, he landed the cleaner shots early on and made Ryder miss and look like a fool at times but if you land some jabs and right hands here and there that's not enough to edge a fire fight in the second half. I had it 4-2 after 6 in favor of Jacobs but i didn't give him one single round in the second half. I know people like Danny and i like him as well and wish him all the best but this was another poor performance and he looked gassed and lackluster in the second half.

BTW: The guy who scored it for Jacobs was the British Judge. American judge had it for Ryder. Finnish/Monaco guy also scored it for Ryder. Saying it was a home town decision is funny because we only had one local judge and that guy gave Jacobs the fight.

I think the majority is just too comfortable with all those close fights Jacobs won in NY/Brooklyn where the judges basically gifted him rounds for doing nothing than throwing a 1,2 all 30 seconds. People should rewatch the Sulecki or SD fight. Those fights were razor close and basically decided by a KD. It's not enough what Danny did in the second half to edge a fight on the road against a pressure fighter like Ryder. And even in those early rounds he was cleaner but just barely as he didn't throw anything at all. Close first half. Dominant second half for Ryder. Fight goes to Ryder. Right decision.

 

From @Serge

That wasn't even a world title fight but one of the judges was from the US, one from Britain, and one from a neutral country.

They constantly stack the deck with a home ref and three home judges for world title fights between an American and a foreigner across the pond all the time, like most of the time even. And I mean even for unification match ups and undisputed too.

Seven or the eight officials for Taylor vs JCR and Castano vs Jermello were from the US and the later was one of the extremely rare instances where they had a non US ref. All six judges were from the US and both those fights were for undisputed

When Kovalev fought Dre all eight of the officials for both fights were from the US

But when he defended his world title (s) in Russia against Chilemba and Yarde all the officials came from neutral countries

Again, tonight's fight wasn't even for a world title

River Cry Me A

 

From @f1ght3rz

Here's my scorecard and i watched the fight CLOSELY without commentary and without any distractions. I just noticed that i had it even after 6. As i said the first half was close. Everyone who had it a shutout for Jacobs after 6 was biased af or just gave close rounds to the guy who is well known and a former Champion.

Round 1: 10-9 Jacobs
Round 2: 10-9 Ryder
Round 3: 10-9 Ryder
Round 4: 10-9 Jacobs
Round 5: 10-9 Jacobs
Round 6: 10-9 Ryder
Round 7: 10-9 Ryder
Round 8: 10-9 Ryder
Round 9: 10-9 Ryder
Round 10: 10-9 Ryder
Round 11: 10-9 Ryder
Round 12: 10-9 Jacobs

116-112 Ryder

You can argue that Jacobs won R11. That's it.

Ryder OUTLANDED Jacobs in Round 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 by the way. And you guys still want to claim that it was a robbery and a clear Jacobs W? Come on. Ryder was actually far more accurate with his output while not throwing as much as Jacobs he was cleaner and landed the more eyecatching shots. There is no way you can give Jacobs a round where he landed like 10% of his punches while Ryders is at 30 percent. Cleaner, harder shots won Ryder the fight paired with nonstop pressure. He struggled a bit early on and missed a lot, it was still close and competitive. I can't believe what i just read in here with guys screaming "levels" or "all Jacobs" L-M-F-A-O!

 

These are 2 of the early rounds I gave to Ryder. I'm rescoring them, with a rundown. Also, since I almost gave the 3rd to Ryder as well, I'll give that one another gander.


Round 2 Ryder 10-9, close (still)

Danny throws right, misses. Ryder clips his stomach with left hook. Danny tapping his glove, lands left hook to body. Ryder lunges in, lands left hook to body, Danny holds, Ryder lands hook to side of head, Danny still holding. Danny lunges in, throws right, he lands on Ryder's glove. Danny goes southpaw, they trade right hooks, Danny's slightly harder. Danny lands hard short left. More missed jabs from Danny, misses right by a mile.Danny pawing with jab, throws right, it's an inch short, he falls into the arms of Ryder, who nails him with a hook to the body and head in hold. Ryder now pressuring, jabbing, lands a few, gets in close, both working the body, Ryder slips in an uppercut or two. Danny glued to him tightly. Danny southpaw again, throws out a few jabs, then Ryder throws out a few, both miss. Danny jabs again, Ryder catches him as he lunges in, lands a left hook to the ribs. Ryder lunges in, lands a right hook, they both start swinging and missing. Back into hold. Ryder clips him a few times up close with the right hook. Jacobs lands a right to the glove, partially blocked, Ryder whips in a heavy hook to the body, which buckles Danny's knes. He holds. Danny pushing him back, Ryder rips him with a uppercut and hook as he's leaning on him. They both throw and miss. Then a few rabbit punches. Close, Danny landed two good shots, Ryder outworked him in close.

Round 3 Jacobs 10-9, close (still)

Danny comes out, throws right, falls short about a foot. Both pawing a lot with their jabs, mostly landing on gloves, nothing close to landing clean. Jab finally connects flush from Danny, Ryder throws a right and misses. Ryder lunges in, holds, pulls out, Danny slightly misses with a right that grazes the chin of Ryder. Still a connect. Danny lands a right to the body of John. They both throw, both miss, they tangle up and spin each other. Jab from Danny connects, body shot from Ryder connects.Ryder lunges in, Danny grabs, Ryder whacks him with a few hooks to the body, ragdolling him a bit. Jab to glove, hook to glove, then flush jab connects from Danny. Both throw lead shots, both miss. Ryder pursuing, but not throwing much, Danny jabbing, but landing nothing. Ryder gets him on the ropes, doesn't throw, Danny slips out, then Ryder gets in close in the middle of the ring, they hold, Danny eats a few hooks in close. They trade a few weak shots inside, Ryder pulls out, Danny lands a short decent cross/hook. More jabs to the gloves from Danny. Ryder leaps in, lands a one two to the body, follows with a left hook. Danny holds. A lot of tying up, Ryder gets in a right jab to the body. Danny pressures, lands a right to the chin, somewhat caught on the gloves, then lands a hooks to the shoulder. Ryder holds. Ryder spins him, the Danny lands a grazing left hook, partially blocked, then an uppercut to the body, also partially blocked. Then grazes him with another left hook. Ryder grabs and pushes him back to the ropes. 3 punch combo from Ryder, lands on the gloves of Jacobs. Then he goes for a right that Ryder blocks. Another hard to split one, but I'll give credit to Danny for landing the cleaner work, while Ryder wasn't quite active or accurate enough. I have no problem with it going either way though.



Round 4 Ryder 10-9, close (still)

Ryder comes out, rips him with a left hook to the body, Danny jabs to the glove. Ryder sneaks in a quick jab, Danny holds immediately, they start tussling on the inside. Danny's jab (which the commentators just called potent) is literally tapping Ryder's glove, NOT scoring shots. John lands hard left hook to body, Danny swings with a left hook, misses by a hair. Danny throwing jab after jab, Ryder's head movement alludes most, Danny throws a right, it lands on Ryder's glove. More taps to the gloves of Ryder, Ryder lunges in with straight left, Danny bounces out of range. More jabs from Danny, none land.Jabs to the gloves. Danny throws hard right, Ryder blocks it with his glove. Sharp heavy jab from Ryder snaps Danny's head back. Ryder lunges in, Danny grabs and holds, lands a right hook to the body. While in close, Ryder is working the body, while Danny smacks the side of Ryder's face. Danny lands grazing right, Ryder rolls with it, but it still connected. Ref breaks them, they both go back to jabbing the air. Ryder pressuring, Danny throwing little, he throws big right, Ryder slips it, lands a hook to the body. Danny throws a hook and jab, both blocked. They both throw, both miss, they tie up and tussle. Ryder clips him with a few rights in close. Ryder gets in a short right hook to the ribs and a partially blocked left hook, Danny throws a one two, and misses. Both tapping one another's gloves, Ryder lunges in, landed beautiful straight left to the midsection. Danny holds. Ryder working the body, not all landing clean. They stare at each other for about 20 seconds, Ryder lunges in, lands partially blocked looping left, Danny lands a hook to the body. They both trade weak hooks to the body, Ryder grazes him with right hook up top. Ryder steps in, lands short right hook flush on the chin, Danny holds. More blocked jabs from Danny, Ryder gets in a short left, Danny throws one two, both caught on the gloves. Razor close, but Ryder did the more effective work and landed far more cleanly.

The sixth really isn't all that debatable, Ryder won that fairly easily, so I'm not going to waste my time.


Danny gave the appearance he was doing more, but landing little, whereas Ryder didn't give the appearance he was doing more, but was the more accurate.



Now, for all of the people bitching and moaning, I implore you.... go back and watch the 2nd and 4th and tell me I'm not spot on with my rundowns? That's what I saw the first time around, just wasn't writing it down. As far as the 6th, you'd have to be blind to give that to Jacobs.

 

We had a hell of a lot of people today ignoring scoring shots and basically saying.


But... but... but... Danny won the story of the fight!!!


You all went Full Max Kellerman.


NEVER GO FULL MAX KELLERMAN.

 

I see a lot of people saying, well... clearly Jacobs won, then they give zero reasoning for this assessment. I've made a very coherent well reasoned argument and laid out in graphic detail as to how I arrived at the conclusion that Ryder won the 2nd and 4th rounds, literally doing close to a blow by blow punch stats rundown. Those two rounds are probably the ones most would have the biggest problem with me giving to him. Now... where's your argument as to how Jacobs won both of them, and the 6th, which wasn't all that competitive and in Ryder's favor. I want to know, what exactly did Jacobs do to deserve those three rounds?

 

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Clearly, I went on one of my rampages that day.