Danny Garcia vs. Erik Morales & James Kirkland vs. Carlos Molina RBR

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  1. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    Funny how Morales seems like an old man, but Floyd doesn't.
     
  2. J_Grizzy

    J_Grizzy Active Member Full Member

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    Now, if Molina was working while grabbing a majority of the time, then that's a different story but instead he chose to grab for painfully long periods of time (if you even want to go back and count the grabs, or minutes grabbing you may throw up). In these cases, it is definitely up to the ref to step in and let it be known, work on the inside while clinched or grabbing or risk getting a point deduction. Even if your defending Molina, think back on one thing you respected about the way he fought tonight.
     
  3. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    They have different fighting styles.. Morales has seen many wars.. Floyd is a pure boxer. Not really hard to understand.
     
  4. JoeCamelTow

    JoeCamelTow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Morales has also lived a harder life outside the ring.
     
  5. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    Morales getting hit more is his own fault.
     
  6. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Morales started boxing pro from the age of 15... say what you want bro but as far as entertainment value...


    Morales Vs. MAB 1 >>>> Floyd's whole career, amateur and pro.. :yep

    You Mad Bro?
     
  7. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    Personally, in terms of entertainment value:

    Floyd's style > Erik's Style.
     
  8. Hook!

    Hook! Proud member of team G. Full Member

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    just watched the morales fight, scored it 115-111 garcia, i had the 5th level
     
  9. v2k987

    v2k987 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know you are just stating your personal preference but ****ING HELL... who would rather watch a Floyd fight than an Erik Morales fight.

    Morales v Maidana was more exciting than Floyds whole career.

    Mayweather is technically astounding but that doesn't get the blood pumping like Morales does
     
  10. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The issue in Molina - Kirkland is the 3:00 minute mark occurred before Molina was down. Hence the bell rang because he was not yet down. After the bell rang is when his body made contact with the canvas. Therefore, under ABC rule 22 the round was immediately over and the corner entitled to enter. "In the event that legal blows during the round negatively affect a boxer, and he or she goes down after the bell has sounded to end the round, the Referee will consider that the round is over and that the one (1) minute rest period has begun."

    Even under the Texas rule, the corner was entitled to enter as soon as Molina rose from the knockdown. "When a round ends before a contestant who was knocked down rises, the bell shall not ring, and the count shall continue. If the contestant rises before the count of ten, the bell shall ring ending the round."

    The problem is no one seems entirely certain what rule applies. The fighters and their corners and managers should be clear before the day of the fight what set of rules govern. The confusion is in part because no one really knows what rules governed. Texas claims Texas rules governed, but then they don't bother to follow their own rules and cannot understand the clear plain language of their own rules.

    There is something wrong with Texas. Just six days after Texas judge David Robertson scored 116-110 for Tavoris Cloud against Javier Campillo, a fight most objective observers believe Campillo won, Robertson was back judging again in Texas. It is almost as if they don't penalize judges for doing a horrid job, but they give them a bonus. Leads one to believe that the folks that run boxing were happy about his score. Makes me better understand why many folks say boxing isn't a sport but a business, where integrity and fair play means nothing.

    We still have no explanation for how Gale Van Hoy, a Texas judge, could have Kirkland winning that fight through the 9th round.

    Once again boxing loves to shoot itself in the foot.
     
  11. SweetHome_Bama

    SweetHome_Bama Loyal Member banned

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    The rules aren't unclear, they were fighting under ABC rules, this was known from the get go.

    The knockdown occured before the bell rung, not afterward, so the ref correctly did the right thing in doing the count to ensure that he could beat it, which he did, his corner man ****ed up tremendously and it is no ones fault but his own. None of molina's team went in but him, all he had to do was ****ing look, like everyone else was. Kirkland's corner didn't move, you gonna say it was the commission's fault that they didn't move but Molina's did?
     
  12. 1_man_army

    1_man_army The Knockout King Full Member

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    It's was correct by the letter of the law but the referee is able to use his discretion which is what he should have done since Molina got no advantage from the incident.
     
  13. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    :yep