Danny Williams vs Vitali Klitschko! (heart, courage and size)

Superheavy is not needed in boxing. Dempsey would not have beaten Willard, Holyfield - Bowe would not have happened, Lewis would have had a boring reign with 25 - 30 fights in his whole career...beyond a certain point, size is also a disadvantage, unless it is coupled with unusual coordination, stamina and speed, attributes that few very big men have.

 

Since no one else wants to anser this:

I have always given credit to Danny for being a guy who fights anyone at any time. He pulled of a great upset by beating Tyson, and had wins against guys like Kali Meehan, Matt Skelton, and Audley Harriosn to hang his hat on.

However, he chronically thoughout his carreer came in out of shape, so your dichotomy of Williams into a separate weight division is a false one. Weight divisions are by weight, not by hieght, and he never showed that he was anything but a super super heavy.

 

if there is nobody capable of beating the klits right now, tough luck theres no point making a new weight class becuase when the brothers retire it will only be filled with fat ****s with less excuse to lose weight, who could probably be beaten by a smaller than average heavyweight.

 

Klit hater alert!

People weren't saying this **** when lennox was king.

pure hater.

 

Sorry to say, but this super-heavy talk is pure nonsense and based on the biggest boxing misconception. Credit to Williams, but there always have been 'size and power difference' in boxing and all it's divisions, and the capable boxer always overcame these disadvantages. These advantages are present in lower classes today, think Caballero and Williams for reach, Donaire and Abraham for power, yet few talk about them being at an unfair advantage. What would be a reasonable critique is simple weight advantage though it's nothing new in HW history and not unusual at lower weights either (up to 15 pounds on fight night, think Pavlik-Martinez). Boxing is called sweet science because it has the layers and variety to overcome disadvantages with skills, think Mike Tyson for size (or Chagaev/Valuev) and Chris Byrd vs. David Tua for power.

And actually, there IS super heavyweight in boxing today, it is just called HW in the pros as the amateur HW is called Cruiserweight here. If Byrd, Eddie Chambers and fat Chris Arreola think they are at a disadvantage at 200+, why don't they drop down to 200, nobody is forcing them to face bigger guys. But it's quite the opposite: fighters are constantly moving up from lower weights to HW, and sanctioning bodies upping the CW limit didn't change one thing. If there would be a Super-Duper-Mega-Heavyweight, the Adameks, Tarvers, Hayes and Mormecks would still move up because that's where money and fame is. Another division in a sport of 17 divisins is totally unnecessary.

And here's the shocker for many Klitschko critiques: looking at just the last couple of fights, the Klitschko's were at a weight disadvantage vs. the following fighters: Hasim Rahman, Tony Thompson, Ray Austin, Shannon Briggs, Chris Arreola and - Danny Williams. The following fighters had similar or longer reach than the Klitschkos: Hasim Rahman, Tony Thompson, Ray Austin, Shannon Briggs, Kevin Johnson and Juan Carlos Gomez.

What the Klitschko's have is not some unfair 'size and power' advantage. Others have size and power too over. They have SKILLS that beats both the smaller and the bigger opposition, that is something the critiques don't want to admit. Why is Tony Thompson not dominating? Why is Shannon Briggs getting schooled by Ibragimov? How come Byrd can beat a Tua?

Just because it's the HWs, skills still pay the bills, and though the Klitschko's are big dudes, they have plenty.

 

Size at above 200 pounds is self-limiting.

 

The problem is guys fighting at 210-215 who should probably fight at cruiserweight if they want to be successful. But they decide to chance it at heavyweight by putting on a few more pounds and then, lo and behold, get ****ed up by some real heavyweights

 

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agreed, lets further dilute an already shallow pool of talent by splitting it in half. atsch

ftr, i ****ing love danny williams.

 

I agree, nice post! :good

 

If there were a "super heavyweight" division, the same thing would happen. You'd have guys who are normally 215-225 or so, purposely gaining weight so that they can fight as a "super heavyweight".

Another division is definitely NOT the answer.

 

Yep! If anything, we should get rid of at least 5 divisions and join all sanctioning bodies into one.

 

Adamek vs Arreola exposed the myth of today's SHW, You saw a very professional fighter beat a tub of lard, if Tarver was 35 instead of 42 he'd also be a top 5 heavy. With the exception of the Klits, all these fighters weighing 245+ lbs are a joke, they don't run, train or use good nutrition, as a result they have poor stamina, speed and mobility to go along with their lack of skill.