Darchinyan loses to Abner Mares by SD.

Why wasnt hyder in his corner for this one?

 

He's never been warned for it before. He's been warned for using the elbows but never for using his right hand as a range-finder.

Nor was Tszyu. Ever.

Think about it for a while.

If the range-finding hand makes contact with an opponent, it's a jab. How can it be illegal to hit a guy with a freaking jab?

The only things that could be considered illegal in leaving the lead hand hanging out there are if the opponent's face is getting raked with an open hand (or thumbed) or if it's considered to be pushing.

I think what's happened in this fight is that the referee has warned Vic for "pushing".

As stated, I think that was a bs call.

 

My live feed kicked in about round 5 with foreign language commentary . I saw Mares pushing the action quite efficiently and was surprised when the american broadcasters scorecards showed all three commentators with Vic ahead (at the time i didn't know about the knockdown or point deduction). I thought Mares was definitely the more aggressive, though at times you could question the effectiveness of the the aggression.

I thought the ref was just as adamant in disciplining Mares as he was Vic.

I thought Mares won the majority of the rounds I saw.

I thought the decision could go either way.

I thought it was funny when Vic thought that he had got the decision because of the way the announcer said "and continuing......in the tournament" and then heard Mares name......

 

Really enjoyable fight..Didn't score it but wasn't to fussed mares got the nod.

Vic looked great..boxed a smart fight and soaked up a brutal body attack. Looked quick and sharp to me seems to lack the pop that once had at the lower weights. Got a few good fights left in him I reckon, just hope it big fights like these..cause that's what Vic really seems to get up for.

Abegko at his best should take this but anything less than a sterling performance could see him lose it for sure. Abner brings the ruckus.

 

Darchinyan and Shaw and planing on filing a protest with the IBO and WBC, not sure how far this will go but I hope he gets a rematch.

 

Protesting on the back of what? It was a close decision either way... it went against him. I love watching Vic fight. I don't like hearing him whinge when he's beaten.

 

Vic's a sore loser and always has been.

Got an Armenian mate at work who reckons Vic's so far up himself in their small community that most people don't like him.

And he wonders why the general Australian public don't support him.

Kostya on the other hand always showed respect

 

You're wrong, man.

It is illegal, and has been discussed on boxing forums many times before and the end result of those discussions and the research they inspire is invariably that it is agreed to be a universally regarded foul that some boxers get away with.

You've named two boxers that happen to have gotten away with it. The sport is bigger than Tszyu and Darchinyan, and indeed Aussie boxing on the whole. Just because it isn't enforced by commissions down under (at least not in the case of those two particular athletes), does not mean it isn't a foul that the referee can enforce per their discretion without it being a "bs call".

Arthur Abraham was warned for it (against AD).

Joan Guzman was warned for it (against Ali Funeka).

Countless others have been warned for it.

You've never seen two boxers from your home country happen to get warned for it. That doesn't make it OK. That just means they got away with it. Ali did. Klitschko does. Many do. Many get away with a lot of things. That doesn't mean those who don't get away with them are getting a raw deal.

Again, like I said several posts back - the greater a sportsman's star power the more leeway they are given within the rules (within reason). That's part of why you may have never happened to become aware of the infraction until now. Another is that different commissions have slight deviations in how they enforce what is more or less the same codified set of rules depending on cultural attitudes and other factors.

The stiffarm - and excessive use of it to be certain - is illegal, period (whether it's explicitly stated in a particular commission's list of fouls or not). Whether there is wiggle room to get away with it to an extent varies by location and individual official...same as things like excessive clinching. Many fighters have gotten the benefit of the doubt with things like clinching (Ruiz) and ducking below the belt (Mayweather) that are technically - and often explicitly listed - fouls.

Here is the exact wording of the rules in Washington state (largely the same rules anywhere pro boxing is licensed), which is where Darchinyan-Mares took place:

The stiffarm falls somewhere between c) and f), and is more or less an amalgam of the two. Your argument about the extended arm making contact and therefore being a jab is ludicrous. It's a jab if it's a jabbing motion. A jab is a type of motion - that's the key concept here. There must be a kinetic factor to it. Whether it's snapped out, or pawed - doesn't matter, as long as it's moving. When the arm is just left hanging out there in someone's face (or "pushed" into them while already fully extended with the elbow locked straight) that is by definition not a jab, nor a punch of any sort.

Regardless of whether you even agree with that, t) pretty much trumps all. If the referee says don't do it, you can't do it. If the referee tells you left hooks are illegal, then the onus is on the boxer to act as if left hooks are illegal for the duration of the bout. Even if the referee was pulling it out of his ass rather than a rulebook, he is well within his rights and beyond the reproach of having made a "BS call" and in this particular case would be in the right as well. Even if this technique weren't against the rules (and it is), it should be...every bit as much as low blows and excessive clinching ought to be (whether they appear in a rulebook or not).

Again, this has been debated ad nauseum and pretty much nobody honestly feels that this is an acceptable tactic. That you do (and just so happen to have a vested interest, with your favorite fighter having committed this foul receiving a point deduction in a close fight) casts inescapably suspicious aspersions on your motive and whether you genuinely believe what you're saying. It's absurd that you're even attempting to defend it. Use your brain. Do you really not see why it's considered a dirty and generally prohibited tactic? Blinding someone with a hand suspended in their face so they can't see rear hand punches coming is something that you HONESTLY think is kosher? Seriously?

 

I used to want to give him the benefit of the doubt and call it a language barrier thing, but it's pretty clear now that he is just a sore loser and lacks a bit of respect.

 

Protest? Rematch? :blood The ****?

These guys are in the middle of a ****ing tournament.

All four agreed to be part of a tournament.

Mares' next fight can't be anything else but the tournament Final against Agbeko.

Darchinyan's next fight can't be anything else but the consolation match for third place against Perez.

Any other unfinished business can be sorted out afterward.

FFS, why do boxers get involved in tournaments (knowing full well what responsibility that entails) only to try and weasel out when things don't go their way? :-( Showtime had shadows of the same problem in the Super Six with certain people threatening to pull out over some issues, and wanting immediate rematches smack in the middle of the tournament.

 

No racist, but those traits are starting to appear endemic to Armenians...

 

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8182310
the fight was close.they will lose.Vic does not have ze power
at BW.

 

Vic has the old negative wog man syndrome.
His words & tone of voice remind me of my late grandfather.

 

Gentle on the armenians, I agree Vic is a sore loser, they should rematch after the tournament though cause it was so close. I have met him and he seemed quite nice. He was cocky, but was polite enough to let me in the gym while sparring etc. Don't know him well enough to know if he's up himself or not.