Dariusz Michalczewski vs Canelo Alvarez in Light Heavyweight.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You can research it if you want.

    No specifics were ever discussed, as no official meetings ever took place.
     
  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'll just leave this here for all you gentlemen to fight it out among yourselves

    'The one fighter who might provide Jones with a test is Michalczewski, the World Boxing Organization champion and onetime owner of two of Jones' belts before being stripped of them.

    But don't hold your breath for that fight to happen anytime soon.

    "Not for the money they are offering," says Jones, who doesn't deny he wants $10 million for the bout. Michalczewski promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl reportedly has offered Jones $5 million.

    "I deserve to be in with better guys, but I also deserve to be paid well," Jones says. "If they pay me, I'll be in there with Dariusz. I don't want to fight the Richard Halls, Antonio Tarvers or Eric Hardings. What have they done to deserve to fight Roy Jones?"

    "Let him fight in the U.S. on TV a couple of times so people can become familiar with him. I don't even know if he's good enough to beat the American fighters at the top of the rankings. I'm in the spot he wants to be in. I'm No. 1. I'm the one in charge.

    "I'm a businessman. I didn't get where I am being a damn fool .It ain't hard to interest me. Pay me right, you've got a fight. Who don't know that about Roy Jones?"

    The prospects for a Dariusz Michalczewski bout are "$20-25 million to fight him in Germany. After what happened in Korea, that's what I need. He barely beat Richard Hall. They can say linear all they want to. Who got a win over James Toney, Reggie Johnson, Vinny Pazienza, and Hopkins? He don't wanna fight these guys.'

    Pay close attention to this quote because Roid shoots himself in the foot big time

    "Hopkins asking for 10 million is the best way to say no without saying no, you dig?' Jones concluded. "But nobody will write that. Why do Roy got to be the one to give everybody a chance and help them make money?"

    --Roid Jones

    But when Roy does the same with other fighters it's a completely different story. He's actually saying yes when he prices himself out, right? :lol:

    There is literally ZERO defending that and try as they might no amount of Olympic level mental gymnastics from his fanboys can dig him out of that hole


    Roy wanted a king's ransom to go over to fight a guy in Germany who he ''didn't know was good enough to beat the American fighters at the top of the rankings'' and who was ''barely able to get past Richard Hall'', a fighter Roy literally toyed with all night and beat with contemptuous ease? lol

    He didn't want to fight in Europe because he was robbed in Asia as an amateur? :lol:
    DM himself had been robbed as amateur when fighting an American over in the US as have god knows how many foreigners and almost every top EE fighter who has fought over there :lol:

    He didn't want to go over there to fight DM and get robbed even though he'd seen his countryman Virgil Hill (a fighter he'd knocked out in four rounds) head over there and come away with a close decision, one that I wasn't alone in thinking at the time was controversial (although to be fair I haven't seen it for a very long while) over the insanely popular unbeaten German ''Golden Boy'' Henry Maske whose popularity in Deutschland rivaled that of a pint of bear and watching football?

    Indigenous German Maske was a hell of a lot more popular over there than Polish born DM was but funny how those evil Germans who obviously would've had a fair amount of Korean blood coursing through their veins didn't rob Roy KO victim Virgil Hill when he went over there. Roid was obviously well aware of that too.

    This is how popular Maske was in Germany.

    "The German boxing business really started in 1992 when my dad did the deal for [German boxer] Henry Maske with [TV channel] RTL," insists Kalle Sauerland, whose father Wilfred kept the business ticking over for 15 years before the Maske deal. "There are three people responsible for boxing in Germany: Wilfred Sauerland, Henry Maske and Hans Mahr of RTL because he took the risk and it looked like a risk at the time." Maske went on and had 12 world title fights between 1993 and 1996 and averaged 17.8m viewers, with a peak at 23m.

    "When Henry boxed it was like a national holiday," remembers Sauerland
    They used to call Maske the ''Michael Jordan of Germany'' over there for goodness sake!
    Maske vs Hill was a unification match up with both Hill's WBA belt and Maske's IBF one on the line and obviously a huge event for German boxing (it was the most expensive one in German boxing history).

    MUNICH, GERMANY. On the evening of Saturday, November 23th, Germany`s Henry Maske and Virgil Hill from the USA were scheduled to meet in the ring for the unification of their IBF & WBA Light Heavyweight world titles. Maske had planned this to be his farewell match (`My greatest dream is to retire as an undefeated world champion.`). As usual, a whole bunch of stars and wannabe-stars were showing up at ring-side, surrounded by patriotic fans on the cheaper places. The rest of the nation was at home watching TV, where the fight was not broadcasted but celebrated.

    Maske was also highly accomplished amateur who'd brought back gold medals in the Olympics, the world amateur championships (and also a silver too), and three golds from the European championships. He was revered like a god over there. He was also undefeated as a pro with (30) with 10 world title fights under his belt.

    Maske-Hill I would actually have been a draw had one of the judges scored it a point the other way. Just a single point on the Swiss judge's card meant the difference between the most popular fighter in German history losing his unbeaten record and IBF strap.
    But American Roy KO victim Hill was still awarded a split decision over there, snapping Maske's 30 fight unbeaten run in the process, both of which there was an awful lot of people in Germany who had vested interests in not see happen, in a fight that would've been declared a draw if one judge (a European judge) scored differently by a solitary point in an event that was not only the most expensive in German boxing history but was also supposed to be Maske's farewell fight before heading off into the sunset with his immaculate record intact. lol

    To summarize

    Roy said he needed to score a KO over in Germany to win. Funny how his KO4 victim Virgil Hill, who Roy had beaten with ease, didn't need to score a knockout over there to get his hand raised in a close fight against Henry Maske (which Roy obviously was well aware of) who was
    The most popular German boxer in German boxing history (sans Max Schmeling)
    In the most expensive event in German boxing history
    A fighter who was nicknamed ''The Michael Jordan of Germany''
    Who was almost worshiped like a god in Germany
    Who averaged 17.8m viewers on TV, with a peak at 23m.
    Who when he boxed it was ''like a national holiday"
    In a fight that ''wasn't broadcast but celebrated''
    A fight that was supposed to be ''The German Michael Jordan's'' farewell fight before he rode off into the sunset with his immaculate spotless undefeated record intact after compiling a stellar amateur (Olympic gold, World Amateur Championships gold & silver, and 3 golds at the European championships) and pro career.

    How badly do you think the powers that be in German boxing and all Golden Boy Maske's millions of adoring fans wanted him to win that fight and especially not see him lose, lose his world title, his career defining unification fight, his unbeaten record, again, in the most expensive event in German boxing history? Mull that one over for a moment. And Roy damn well knew this because Hill is the fighter DM beat to unify the WBO, WBA, and IBF straps way back in 1997.

    And isn't it funny how Julio Cesar Gonzalez didn't need a KO to get his hand raised over in Germany when he went over there and won a close decision over DM in a fight where there was a lot on the line for the home fighter because had DM been awarded the decision he would've equaled Marciano's long standing record of 49 fights without a loss.

    Roid knew damn well the Germans would actually make him undergo steroid testing had he dared venture over there and that when he inevitably failed the test they wouldn't sweep it under the carpet like they did for him back in his homeland and he was also keenly aware of the fact that DM was a savage puncher witch a pistonlike very hard ramrod jab and he was capable of sparking him out cold with either hand at any given moment in the fight so he decided to price himself out and then parade around town as a fraudulent paper champ with DM's belts that had been stolen from him draped across his broad steroid enhanced shoulders.


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    lol at Roy citing DM losing to Julio Cesar Gonzalez (RIP) when he was way past his best
     
  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interestinly hated in forums bad and evil soviets and EE ppl had gave him win and he had been jobbed by judges from capitalistic not european countries.
    Roid Juice forget this.

    This doesn't matters, in US are best cards in the world :D and best natural beef meat:D, natural juice and best clauses in the world:D.
     
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  4. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This one.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
  6. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    This needs to be stickied
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You’re probably being serious too.
     
  8. David B

    David B Nazi Russia lies. This is the only truth. Full Member

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    Do people really think this fighter who got schooled by Rochigianni in their first encounter had a chance against Roy Jones Jr.
    He was a great actor though .


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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dariusz was a very strong fighter. He was extremely tough. To this day, I still don’t know why he pulled that BS in the first Roch fight. It was cringeworthy.

    Yet people have an issue with Roy not wanting to have gone to Germany with three belts.

    It was great that Hill was willing to go over twice. But that didn’t mean that Roy had to as well.
     
  10. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think worse actor than Roid.:p

    BTW today I think it was very bad thing that judges from Soviet Union and Hungary had scored this famous amateur fight in his behalf.
    I think he then needed to be robbed by all judges at the Olympics.

    Roy Jones Jr was nothing much better than DM and he priced himself out of a lot of fights as there had been posted.
    Ohh, I had forget about possible testing:p in Germany.

    On good natural beef meat and only natural healthy juice DM I think had performed very good.
     
  11. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Loudon, I’m genuinely curious about you, bud; why the fixation with Roy Jones? It’s a fixation that has transcended fandom and OCD and has moved into monomania. You seem like an intelligent guy who makes good points and you’re overall posting demeanor is pleasant; that is, you don’t degrade yourself or the forum with childish insults and trolling. But when it comes to Jones you write and rewrite his hagiography in every thread that he’s mentioned. Why? Did he donate a kidney to you or something?
    As for this thread, it’s supposed to be about Clenelo and Michalczewski, but given that Roy and Dariusz are forever joined at the hip for the wrong reasons, Dariusz can’t be mentioned without Roy’s name being brought up.
    I’m sure you know this but I’ll explain it anyway. The post of mine you quoted was a response to @Aussie Invader who was criticizing DM for not making a fight with Jones. The irony, and he might be too dense to realize it (but you’re not) is that Jones was guilty of the exact same things.
    Answer this:
    Name the light heavyweight champion who was known for having incredible statistics, multiple belts, an ATG win / loss record, but refused to fight outside of his home country, and was content to fight unworthy mandatory challengers while making millions in a comfy cable deal and never, ever made a serious attempt to fight his number one challenger in the same division?
    Do you get the point? IMO, Roy would’ve beaten DM, just like I’d have picked Mayweather to beat manny in 2009. But the fact of the matter is he didn’t. By that time Roy was already known as a prima donna, and as a guy that had a few misses on his resume. I know, I know, Benn and Eubank wouldn’t fight him, Collins wasn’t worthy, McClellan and Roy were friends in the amateurs etc etc etc. I’ve read your reasons so many times I feel like I’m expert on Jones apologetics. Loudon; it’s possible that not only was Roy a genuine athletic freak, comparable to Michael Jordan and Bo Jackson, and a boxing savant comparable to Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard but that he was also a cherry picker and a ducker. He was all of the above. The same is true for Mayweather.
    Loudon, here’s two things you need to come to peace with:
    1) Roy Jones Jr is the common denominator in all of his mythical match-ups not getting made. Whether it’s DM, Tyson, Holyfield, McClellan, Eubank, Collins etc.
    2) Great fighters, the truly great ones, find ways to make fights happen! Guys like Ali, Hagler, Arguello, Duran, Leonard, Holyfield and now Pacquiao, seethe with greatness from the inside out. Those men would and did move heaven and earth to make fights happen and prove they were the best. Could you imagine Ali saying he’ll only fight Frazier if Joe gets 10% of the purse or otherwise no fight? Can you imagine Hagler saying there’s no way I’ll go to England to fight for the lineal, undisputed middleweight championship - why should I, because everybody already knows I’ll beat that British dude?
    Jones had all of the talent of the men I listed, but none of their heart. Jones talent was so great that he didn’t need their heart...up until the time he did, and Roy went from Superman to Clark Kent and ultimately Lois Lane. The man who refused to ever fight out of the US would wind up getting bounced off the canvas so hard he applied for Russian citizenship- literally :eek:
    @Serge
    Serge, I’ve tagged you in this post because it’s a great post and you’re a great guy
     
  12. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I forgot all about that!!!
     
  13. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We will never know, but I blame them both. They both deprived the sport of one of the biggest fights of all time at 175.
     
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    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Best post I’ve seen in a long time
     
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  15. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Thank you, sir :beer-toast1:
     
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