David Haye (2009) Vs Anthony Joshua (2019 unbeaten) who wins??

haye was over rated in both divisions he would of been knocked clean out his head would of been knocked right of into the first row

 

how was he overrated as a Cruiser? He went to France and sparked Mormeck including getting up off the floor to win. Idiotic throwaway statement.

 

I'd favour Haye.

Joshua isn't great at cutting the ring of, and whilst he can put his shots together well, he isn't the quickest puncher. Given that Haye had tremendous reflexes, I can see him making Joshua miss and countering him. This will be made easier by the fact that Joshua is open to the counter when on the attack as he doesn't get his hands back up quick enough and he lingers in the pocket.

Some people may use Wlad as a comparison, but Wlad, who has similar dimensions to Joshua, beat Haye because Wlad was always cautious of punches coming back. He would not over commit on his shots and was always ready to pull back. Pre Ruiz Joshua was far less cautious than Wlad. He would telegraph a shot, over commit, miss, and then get chinned.

Obviously, one mistake by Haye and it is all over for him. But, I believe Haye has more strings to his bow that can cause Joshua trouble than vice versa.

 

He wasn’t overrated at Cruiserweight.

 

he was in my humble view he was sparked by carl thompson in five rounds folk go on about him beating mormeck was it that impressive how good was mormeck the fella was knocked out less than two year before he lost to haye mormeck was no killer

 

Mormeck was the undisputed champ. I was surprised he beat O’Neil Bell though. I used to speak with Adam Booth about how they were expecting Haye to box Bell for the belts and then he lost.

 

he was not sparked by Thompson, his corner threw the towel in. I remember watching it live on BBC

 

Haye. Wasn’t big on him at heavy but he was explosive. I think he would have eventually found a way through. Joshua would have cowered and been a sitting duck from then on.

 

Probably Joshua.

Haye was dropped and badly hurt by blown-up SMW journeyman Mock, dropped and stopped by 40+ ex-LHW Thompson after gassing out, dropped by Mormeck in a war, arguably dropped by Barrett and edged Valuev over 12 before losing a wide decision to Wlad (their only mutual opponent), who officially dropped a diving Haye too. Haye was safety-first/borderline survival mode and didn't look impressive against the tall heavyweights he fought, barring Harrison, who was iced in similar fashion by Price and Wilder. Neither are known for their heart but I actually think Joshua has more grit too. I couldn't see Haye ever fighting again (or even being seen in public) if he'd lost to Ruiz lmao. And he certainly wouldn't have fought Usyk had he gone through that experience first.

 

tbf Mock boiled himself for SMW, used to fight at LHW too. Was an underrrated fighter, only retired a few years ago closer to 50 than 40 and went out on a win.

 

did he no go life n death with the wee Italian fella fragameni or am I making it up mate I hold my hands up if im wrong I said earlier in thread he was put over by him I thought he was correct me if im wrong but I remember him being in bother in that the bloke was over rated even at cruiser Joshua would of knocked his head right of or bored his way to 12 round decision like parker fight no way could he loose to haye I remember saying years ago haye could beat Joshua well that was when Joshua seemed to be better than now so im admitting I was wrong on it Joshua is to good hes to big to fast to skilled to powerful he really is n Joshuas not all that is he how can he be if he was battered by wee ruiz hes good no great what does that make haye well as a heavy he was no better than a Whyte

 

Was ringside at York Hall that night, he was not put over by Fragameni. He was cut and it was 50/50 until he stopped him though.

I feel after that he was in his prime with the heavyweight 10 rounders before the Cruiserweight title fights. He was awesome back then, however too small to stand and trade at heavyweight which was why his time there was underwhelming.

 

excellent that you were there, what was it like?

 

who did he beat during that period I honestly cant remember folk talk about mormeck like hes brilliant I honestly dont think he was brilliant his record is paper thin in my humble view