David Haye And His Fragile Glass Jaw

............and you didn't answer mine.

 

Here, I'll play nice. Of course a perfectly timed counter from any known HW puncher could in fact KO any fighter including Klitschko. Especially a punch from Forman, Shavers, Louis, Lewis, DEmpsey, Marciano, etc.

The real question is how many of them could land that punch on such a defensive genius?

 

You're afraid of the truth, that's why you can't answer. Instead, your "question" was an irrelevant detraction, a mask of insecurity to sidestep the hard truth of inevitability. All the fighers I named are devastating punchers with great handspeed, more than capable of delivering the punch I described--and you know this as well, that's why you refuse to answer. Tyson's left hook, when delivered, is short, explosive, and powerful...and more than capable of reaching Wladimir's jaw despite the difference in height.

When it comes to these fighters strengths and assets, a high "skill level" isn't required...they're not out to outbox Wladimir for 12 rounds. Although, they each have their own "skill levels" beyond mere boxing ability....like timing, speed, power, aggression, defense. Just ask Corrie Sanders.

So let me ask again...


OK so let's just be clear here....

...you believe that Wladimir will walk away unscathed from a perfectly timed, crunching left hook counter to his jaw (by Tyson/Shavers/Liston/Cooney), after he throws a pawing left jab?

Answer that question to this board. Then we'll see who's really smoking something.

 

I already answered, read my brother, read.

 

He's no defensive genius. He's clearly hittable, but when the current crop - through no fault of Wlad's, I might add - are either flabby, stubby, stiff Europeans or shot to **** - and usually just **** - heartless American no-hopers his flaws aren't exposed.

There's enough evidence of vulnerability for a Lewis, a Foreman or an Ali to compile a lengthy tome on before setting into the ring against a fighter of Klitschko's level.

 

..................and you keep refering to Wlad's fights from over 5 years ago. That was a different WK, this is the new improved wrecking machine.

 

Lewis, Forman & Ali all had their own weaknesses as well.

 

Well you managed to half-answer my question with the tried old "a good punch will KO any fighter" argument. But you very well know it's much more than that concerning Wladimir and his ability to take a punch. The only "defensive genious" I saw last night came from Chagaev, as I said before Wladimir was open for a perfectly timed quick left hook to the jaw whenever he pawed the jab. Chagaev was incapable of throwing that type of punch, because he's an inactive, subpar heavyweight with none of the traits his nickname implied.

 

Sure, that's true. Wlad just has more. Everyone really knows that he's not on their level - even his most ardent fans - but he's proved a creditable champion all the same,

 

Learn to spell, you'll appear smarter than you really are! :thumbsup That's my free tip of the day.........................

 

I remember when Lewis was champ all my boxing friends would say he's just the best of a bad bunch, well Bowe would KO him, prime Tyson would KO him, etc. I knew better then & I know better now with regard to Wlad Klitschko.

This is just more of the same revisionist history to suit the detractors agenda.

He's not American, black, or arrogant enough for these guys who would, in contrast put the likes of boring ol' Larry Holmes on some pedestal even though he rarely KO'd anyone & fought guys like Gerry Cooney & Tex Cobb.

Those were darker days than these for the Heavys.......................

 

Chins don't improve. It wasn't as if Sanders outboxed Wladimir for 12 rounds. And since then, he fell to Lamon Brewster, stumbled against slow-moving Samuel Peter, and struggled against a mediocre Thompson before the stoppage. I wouldn't call a defensive first fighter a "wrecking machine", especially one that only looks tentative against mediocre opposition like Chagaev and Igbragimov to protect a fragile chin. Wladimir should be thankful there isn't another heavyweight out there that has the power, handspeed, and timing to put him to sleep again. Or maybe there is...

 

Keep up the hatin' Exposé.................but don't let it consume you. We can argue all day about how any HW should be able to KO Wlad. The fact is no one is doing it & I don't see it happening ever again. You do realize Lewis was knocked practically cold by Rahman right? The same Rahman that Maskaev knocked through the ropes................Doesn't chance the fact that Lewis was an ATG fighter and head 2 head a tough test for any HW in history. Same for Wladimir.

 

I think it's obvious from our posts which one of us is more objective. I call it as I see it, from a pure boxing perspective and not with bias. The strengths and weakness of each fighter is apparent, if you wish to view them in your own way, so be it.

 

A lot of you are severely underestimating Hayes defence. Watching his fights on YouTube do not give you the whole picture. He is extremely good at blocking shots with his gloves/elbows and countering with heavy heavy punches. It's not something you can see on a small screen and it doesn't help with the commentators not callng the exchanges correctly.
I like Wlad and respect the man but he is very limited in his punch reportoire and a fast, clever hard hitting fighter like Haye will beat him.
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