David Haye - has he earned it yet?

So what?
Vitali never lost his title in the ring.
If he hadn't officially retired and spent the past 4 years claiming a comeback was imminent, should the WBC have acknowledged him as their champ during that period?
As it was allowing him a shot at Peter immediately was ridiculous.
I sympathise with Chagaev but if you're injured for a prolonged period of time, you should be forced to relinquish your title (& maybe installed as a mandatory challenger providing your period of inactivity isn't outrageously long).

 

INCORRECT.
Adamek hadn't even won an eliminator by the time Haye beat Enzo.
See my timeline above.

 

I concede the controversy surrounding the rematch was farcical, but the fact remains this rematch to decide who the legitimate WBA champ was scheduled some 16 months following Chagaev's one & only defence of his title. That defence was a voluntary, by the way.
The fact is Chagaev should've been stripped, & the winner of Valuev/Ruiz declared the outright champ.
The WBA should've then insisted that Chagaev as mandatory challenger got another shot at the title he never lost in the ring, & when the match was cancelled they should've intervened and demanded the fight be rescheduled.
As it is Valuev was legitmately declared the outright champ, after Chagaev decided he couldn't be bothered to wait for a resolution, (understandable having been inactive for such a large period of time), & decided to fight Wlad.

 

Nobody even mentioned Adamek as a potential opponent for Haye when Haye was at cruiserweight.

Sheer historical revisionism to suggest now that Haye somehow sidestepped him :-(

 

Becoming 'the man' at CW gives the right to get fast-tracked to HW title shot, IMO. So yeah, I think Haye earned his title and the right to be called the Champion of the whole, wide, erm...WBA.

 

Bang on :good

It wont stop him spouting **** though as he is quite simply one of the biggest cocks on this forum :nut

 

I've seen him say that Haye ducked Adamek at cruiser countless times on this forum. I don't know why, but it finally got to me this morning.

 

Well said :thumbsup

Adamek has somehow built a cult following on this forum by beating up an old and shot Golota

 

Haye's achievements speak for themselves.

24 Fights
WBA Super World cruiserweight title
WBC cruiserweight title
WBO cruiserweight title
Ring Magazine title

WBA World heavyweight title

He deserves respect and he WILL fight the klitchkos.

 

Chagaev defended his belt twice, u probably forgot about Carl Davis Drummond it was 20 months after 1st valuev fight and 3 months before the 2nd fight sheduled date ,which as we know didnt happen after all.

So we've got 13 months lay-off coused by injuries(between drummond and skelton fights) its not so unusual in boxing that champ doesnt defend his belt in 1 year or so , thats why imo there could be a fight for the INTERIM version of his belt(its normal practice when champ cant defend the real belt for some time)And even valuev could fight for it i have nothing against that, but chagaev certainly should have stayed regular champ. And then if its valuev who refuses to face Ruslan in the rematch then imo it should be clear that the real championship remains to chagaev, who went straight to the fight with wladimir and the belt SHould have been on the line.


Btw i dont see anything wrong with haye getting title shot immedietly after moving up its a common practice with the lower division champs. Im just questioning actual value of that "title"

 

haye is a very good fighter who in my opinion had not to earn a fight with valuev. but he is not in the class of the K brothers. in my opinion
1. Wladimir Klitschko
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2. Vitali Klitschko
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3. David Haye
4. Ruslan Chagaev
5. Eddie Chambers
6. Alexander Povetkin and so on....

 

I hadn't forgotten, but I didn't remember that it was a title fight - I mistakenly remembered/believed it was some sort of tune up for the Valuev rematch.
Although don't hold it against me - Valuev had been defending his version of the 'title' as well, so it's gets a little confusing when you've got two men at the weight who are both the WBA champ.
You're quite right though, Chagaev defended his belt 13 months later.
For me that's still too long in between defences, although I appreciate he had a serious injury.
As regards interim belts, I don't agree with them in any circumstances & I don't acknowledge interim champs as genuine titlists until they declared the full champion. So as far as i'm concerned the likes of Katsidis, Zbik etc are not 'world champs'.
I know it's common practice to install 'interim' champs, but I agree with the IBF's stance.
If a fighter is unable to defend his title for whatever reasons within an allotted time period he should be stripped. If he has legitimate reasons for being unable to fight, as in Chagaev's case, he should be installed as the mandatory challenger.

 

Did Vitali earn the right to fight Samuel Peter?

 

Sure, let's say Haye earned it.

Has he earned the ballz to fight the Klitschkos yet? Probably not..............:-( He's take the WBA circle jerk of Ruiz, Valuev and whatever King fighters Don lines up.