David Haye is missing the Boat

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bkamins, Jan 9, 2010.


  1. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    From the fans, they sometimes get it. Example: when discussing legacy, they have to be treated as if they are ducking each other.
     
  2. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's a unique situation. There really haven't ever been two pure heavyweight who have been both brothers and champions at the same time before. I think fans just have to use some common sense and appreciate the fact that boxing isn't like other sports. It isn't baseball or basketball or soccer...It is a brutal blood sport. So it is understandable why they wouldn't want to fight each other.
     
  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The general knowledge of boxing fans scares me. People discuss fighters like Mayweather using terms like shoulder roll, head movement, slipping, ducking under, rolling with and picking up punches and somehow fail to recognize it when it's happening in front of their freaking eyes, on big screen TV. Maybe the HW division is f*cking with their head? I don't know.

    Kevin Johnson has OUTSTANDING defense, but showed nothing else. Vitali is best at going for openings, and since he's a boxer, he's not that good at creating openings. Johnson offered none since he fought scared like a little ***** to lose every single minute of the fight, but for our recent boxing fans I'll put it in the Pac-Floyd contest: Pac would look "****" and "considerably slower" compared to the Cotto fight if Floyd was to play defensive and defensive only for 36 minutes. Pac would still win a shutout, just like Vitali did, who got hit by FIVE power shots. Lol.

    How exactly he "considerably" slowed down in 9 weeks anyway? If Haye wants to win a single round he'll have to open up and that's when he'll get punched in his mouth. The more he opens up (since he gotta overcome Vitali's workrate), the more he'll get hit. It's completely up to Haye whether he'll lose by decision or by knockout, though I don't see the defense, stamina and chin in his game to see the cards.
     
  4. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    I agree that it is understandable.

    Still, I cannot put them together. If you can put them together you can put others together.
     
  5. Enigmadanks

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    Perfectly put. KJ is a very slick fighter and he made the fight look almost unwatchable. Haye's more offensively oriented which is more suited for VK's style of going after openings rather than creating them against guys who won't fight back....
     
  6. bkamins

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    Kevin Johnson has OUTSTANDING defense, but showed nothing else. Vitali is best at going for openings, and since he's a boxer, he's not that good at creating openings. Johnson offered none since he fought scared like a little ***** to lose every single minute of the fight, but for our recent boxing fans I'll put it in the Pac-Floyd contest: Pac would looa shutout, just like Vitali did, who got hit by FIVE power shots. Lol.
    k "****" and "considerably slower" compared to the Cotto fight if Floyd was to play defensive and defensive only for 36 minutes. Pac would still win

    Wow! Is it possible for a poster to be more condescending or pedantic than you? Actually, that was a rhetorical question, because I already have the answer. The truth is that you don't know that Kevin Johnson is a great defensive fighter because he never fought a top ten or even top twenty fighter before Vitali. What we do know if we have eyes in our heads is that VItali has slowed down. He also ate more jabs in that fight than at any time since the Lewis fight. It was not a good performance. And while Haye may have his hands full, in my humble opinion, he has a much better chance against Vitalit than he would against Wladimir.
     
  7. simon850

    simon850 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Haye is the saviour of the heavyweight division, the sooner he dismisses these sisters the better.
     
  8. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's easy enough to make glib statements. The question is does Haye have the balls to step in the ring with your so-called "sisters." So far, he's been a eunuch.
     
  9. Gsand

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    he was getting slammed in negotiations with klits so he went and got a belt to enhance his position, now he has to defend it obviously or he loses his tactic. after ruiz (who i think he will KO), he will fight Klit, Vitali i bet
     
  10. kidgloves

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    If Vitali is sensible with his demands this time then Haye will fight him after Ruiz. Vitali needs to be less greedy.
     
  11. Keueng

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    Because Johnson was in his defensive shell the whole time (I can't even recall the times he actually throw combinations), and concentrating how to survive, Vitali had a hard time picking his shots due to this negativity. If Johnson opened up a little more to actually fight, this fight would've been over in an instant...
     
  12. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wladimir wants. Wladimir fights the best, makes his mandatories and unifies.

    If you believe Haye is the best, Wlad wants to fight him at 20the of june! But Haye pulls out.

    Wlad has to fight his mandatories, next is Chambers.
     
  13. Farmboxer

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    Haye is a coward and a liar. He broke a signed contract with Vlad, faked an injury and never showed proof of injury as he promised either! Then Haye said he would fight Vitali, then Haye, once again, ran. Haye ran from Valouev, did not fight, hardly threw any punches. Why is Haye waiting until April to fight Ruiz? Haye will never fight a Klitschko.
     
  14. jcrh22

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    Ok Mr Chef, if you were a promoter and a fighter who was unified CW champ and you come up in weight who would you fight?

    Would you go straight for the best in the division or.... would you fight a gatekeeper (Barret) and then get a title against the lesser champ so as to build up a super fight?

    As you know, a fighters career is short (kept longer by excellent dieticians of course) so you have to make the most money you can whilst still fighting the best fighters.

    Well Haye may of taken a long time to have his 2 (3 if we include Bonin) fights at heavyweight but, you more than anyone must realise to change your body from a CW to a HW is a difficult task and takes a lot of time if done properly.

    Now Haye has a title (which yes he gained from a lesser champ) he can have a super fight, with both fighters earning career highs rather than a standard fight for standard money.

    Haye is good for the Heavyweight division and he is excellent for the klitschko brothers!
     
  15. jcrh22

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    Because Ruiz had a bad cut and Haye broke his hand.....