David Haye:More (Self)Hype than substance

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  1. aum

    aum Member Full Member

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    I give Haye no chance against either Klitschko.

    To have even a slim chance,he has to be able to land one of his power shots.

    He would'nt be able to get past Wlad's jab and if he lands against Vitali,it wont have an effect.

    Haye,to me,is summarised as follows;

    1.Poor Stamina
    2.Does'nt throw enough punches and looks for the one punch KO at all times
    3.Does'nt throw combinations.
    4.His only defense are his reflexes
    5.He rabbit punches which could quite easily get him disqualified.
    6.He gets careless and sloppy when pressured.

    In my opinion,Haye is more a marketing dream than a great fighter.

    He needs to sort out his stamina,reduce his muscle bulk and learn to throw combinations.
     
  2. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That is a good summary of his weakness but also reccognise his strenghs. He has great speed and power and is a proven world champion so he can't be all bad.

    Stamina is his biggest problem and losing muscle wont change that for him - that is why he tends to go in swinging looking for the early KO.

    I think he has half a chance of bull rushing Wlad and getting to his chin for an early KO. If Wlad protects himself for 6-7 rounds then he will take control with the jab and KO Haye in the late rounds.
     
  3. Ilesey

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    Well other fighters have so there is no saying Haye can't. He won't just stand there infront of WALDO and be a punching bag. I would expect Haye and Booth to devise a strategy that get Klitschko out of his comfort zone so Haye can counter mixed with pockets of combination punching going forward.

    That's a touch naive. Both Lewis and Sanders hurt VITLAY and at this stage there is no saying that if Haye landed flush, more than once it would have zero effect.

    He has had stamina issues early on in his career but lets not forget he was pushed against Fragommeni and still managed to produce a stoppage late on. Also, he was still able to land bombs on Ruiz in the ninth so it's not that bad.

    Perhaps, and this is part of his style. He is relaxed and can lull you into a false sense of security. You think, ah well he isn't throwing, lets go in for the kill only to be countered. Actually in his last two fights he shown he can box so it's unfair to say he simply goes KO hunting.

    Well, he does, but not very often. He can do so but only tends to let four punches go when he has landed flush with one.

    And his reflexes are very good. Don't expect him to be as languid as he was with Ruiz against a Klitschko.

    This is a fair critisism, although Ruiz didn't help matters. He needs to tone that down.

    He's not a patch on what WALDO is like who literally panics.

    I agree that Haye needs to lose at least 4 - 6 lbs as he didn't seem as sharp as he usually is. I think it's important to remember that Haye's preperations didn't go according to plan and only two weeks before the fight looked a little fleshy and bloated by his standards. Perhaps this fight serves as a wake up call. Also, lets be honest, in your summary you only picked negative points and shown little objectivity about his power and talent.
     
  4. Wiesiek

    Wiesiek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He has 2 weak defence for a guy with that kind of chin , if he wont improve in that department then he'll be gone with any serious puncher who can take a punch and give back.
     
  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Can be worked on. Well observed.

    You missed all the jabs he threw then, they weren't knockout punches.

    He throws probably more than Mayweather does. He goes to the body, and brings the left hook behind the right hand.

    Not the first and probably won't be the last.

    Handbags.

    I didn't see that in the Ruiz fight. I saw him maneuver out of the way of flurries, tie up when he had too, and wait patiently to either counter with a right hand lead or wait for his opening.

    I respect your opinion. Maybe you should open up a gym.
     
  6. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think this guy should take one more fight in July or August against a Arreola or Chagaev to just continue to acclimate to the weight before charging in against a Klitschko. Why rush straight in.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Just because Vitali has a world-class chin doesn't mean he's ****ing immune to punches. Haye is an elite puncher, ffs. You know, Vitali was actually knocked out as a kick-boxer, from what I understand. Anybody can be knocked out. And Vitali's skin isn't the best, so even if he doesn't go off his feet, we've all seen that he can have a fight stopped on him anyway.
     
  8. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Haye has not proven to be an elite puncher. Lets see him fight someone that counts first. The Ruiz win was a good one, but Ruiz is old. Tua was an elite puncher and you saw what he did to Ruiz. Haye is far from proven and at this point more mouth than anything. He needs to fight a Klistchko to prove himself as anything special as there isnt anything special out there. At this point seeing what Ive seen from him, I think both Klitschkos beat him easy, hes just too lacking in defense.
     
  9. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    1.Poor Stamina - paces himself very well

    2.Does'nt throw enough punches and looks for the one punch KO at all times - ahem... not anymore

    3.Does'nt throw combinations. - really?

    4.His only defense are his reflexes - can be worked on

    5.He rabbit punches which could quite easily get him disqualified. - Ruiz turned his head for the majority of the rabbit punches, although Haye did let 1 extremley stupid punch go.

    6.He gets careless and sloppy when pressured. - im pretty sure it was down to the lack of sparring, i'll give David the benifit of the doubt
     
  10. rusticraver

    rusticraver Well-Known Member Full Member

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  11. Akxtinguish

    Akxtinguish Belt holder Full Member

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    -Lots of power
    -Good speed
    -Decent movement (but looked sloppy against Ruiz)
    -Fast reflexes
    -Power in both hands (Left hook, right hayemaker)
     
  12. Wiesiek

    Wiesiek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I seriously Doubt he would make it Past Arreola. I really think lots of you guys seem to ignore the fact that haye is very widely open for the right hands , ruiz fight showed this once again and guess what: few big rights connected from arreola and its all over, I like Haye more than that fat mexican-american slob but imo he would be an underdog in that fight.

    With arreola u have to be very active, move much,Throw many punches, Dodge the big right , and dont gass out, haye doesnt seem to be able to do that , early ko for david(unlikely) or Arreola all the way imo.