David Haye = No-Defense, HW Version of Arthur Abraham

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  1. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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  2. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not the same fighter he was then. Just as Lennox Lewis wasn't the same fighter after McCall KO'd him.

    Both guys brought in Manny Steward to learn the jab-and-grab and hide the chin.

    Haye is extremely susceptible to the jab, the Ruiz fight showed that clearly. Wlad has a hammer for jab.
     
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  3. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wladimir still has no head movement and would get clocked by the straight rights.
     
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  4. jc333

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    IF he gets into a ring with Haye, Wlads head will move...trust me. :D
     
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  5. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When Haye fights a fighter of Dirrells calibur, than maybe we can talk about his defense compared to abrahams.....

    Fighting barrett,valuev,and ruiz..... all slow as ****, its easy for you defense to look good.....
     
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  6. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To Haye and his fans: Just make, and keep, the fight with Wladimir. Everyone can then find out how things would turn out.

    Wladimir would have some susceptibility in this fight. I don't think it's enough for Haye to be able to do anything with. Especially since Wlad already had his Corrie Sanders moment.

    Don't think just anyone could do what Sanders could to Wlad, either. He didn't care much about boxing but he was an athletic freak who could beat anyone when he actually showed up. He was in fine form that night against Wlad, and even gave Vitali as many problems as Vitali ever had, probably including the Lewis fight (even though Sanders was in crap shape for the Vitali fight).
     
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  7. theboy_racer

    theboy_racer Boxing Junkie banned

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    Haye and his trainer both admitted they werent happy with his performance but there were reasons for it, not enough sparring for a start.
     
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  8. goldnarms

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    First you say they are alike, now you point out how they are disalike? :patsch
     
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  9. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fair enough.

    Haye could run into the same problem at HW he did with Thompson: A guy who can absorb his shots, bide his time, and then take Haye out.

    Ruiz was doing decent with this plan, but just couldn't hang in there.
     
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  10. bluebird

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    Worst comparison EVER.
     
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  11. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The overall effect is similar, yes. The other poster pointed out the differences, and so I elaborated on his points.

    Comparing two things doesn't mean they are exactly the same. Haye is like Abraham to me, but they aren't the same in every aspect.

    Both fight in bursts. Both throw hard, fast shots. Abraham has a better guard, Haye has better foot and head movement.
     
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  12. goldnarms

    goldnarms Active Member Full Member

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    So, those two fighters are alike to you. But their defense is different and their movement is different. Those are not trivial details. Oh, and their handspeed is different..oh and their headmovement is different... oh an...
     
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  13. MAG1965

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    I agree. Haye has a great right hand and if he lands that against anyone he can hurt them, but when he is not throwing his jab or setting up punching he is backing up with his hands down occassionally, and he looks vulnerable when he is backed up against the ropes. He has to work on his defense and punches to try and set up that right. Had he landed more body punches he could have stopped Ruiz sooner and more conclusively. Remember when Hearns knocked out James Shuler in 1986. That knockout was so great because Tommy lowered James hands with left hooks to the body and then punched in between his gloves when James lowered one of them to protect against the body punch of Tommy.
     
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  14. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's try again.

    Title of thread:

    "David Haye = No-Defense, HW Version of Arthur Abraham"

    * Both rely on short bursts of activity to deliver heavy, fast shots. That is, they are pretty much power fighters who feel they can get away with taking minutes and rounds off because that power will rescue them

    * Haye is "no-defense" to me because he has no guard to speak of. He is easy to hit, especially as he tires after an offensive burst or as rounds go on.

    * However, I grant the points about his footwork (Valuev) and sometimes-there head movement.

    Make sense?

    Let's hope so.
     
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  15. goldnarms

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    Nope none at all.
     
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