David Haye talks Vitali Klit

I agree with everything in your post 100%, KO.:good

Haye is hard to take seriously with the empty promises he has made regarding the Klitschko bros and his display of cowardice.

If he can knock out John Ruiz or beat him decisively, that will be a step towards redemption with most scrutinizing boxing fans. Like him or not, John Ruiz fights with a style that gives most heavyweight fighters trouble.

It will be interesting to see how David Haye handles this.

 

No matter what you think of Haye, he is right when he said Vitali's defining moment in the ring was his losing effort to Lewis. He's also right when he says the people could care less about Vitali's match with Kevin Johnson, and you might as well throw in Wlad's bout with Eddie Chambers. Its my hope and dream that in the next few years the division will be ruled by smaller heavyweights who are faster, more action packed and more conditioned than the lumbering windsucking giants coming out of Eastern Europe.

Haye and Adamek are two former Cruisers who give me hope in this, as they have beaten Barrett and Valuev (Haye) and Golota (Adamek). Who would you rather have as worlds champion? The mechanical, always predictable, always jabbing, always passive Klitschko brothers? Or the trash talking, entertaining, fast, controversial, more crowd pleasing David Haye?

Sad part is, the Klitschko's, despite their dominance, humility, and good nature will never be the stars that past heavyweight champions have enjoyed. They will never be accepted entirely, while a guy like Haye, who may very well could never defeat either of the two, more than likely would be accepted in a heart beat. Haye's bout with Valuev, his bout with Monte Barrett, brought far more fan interest than the Klitschko's last two bouts put together.

 

His Valuev fight was far from. The only reason people generate interest is he talks and most people just want to see his ass get kicked. If he actually fights an entertaining fight against Ruiz I'll give him credit but his fight vs Valuev was unwatchable atleast Ruiz showed bravery and merit mauling a 300 pound 7foot guy and I thought he won both fights handily. I dont hate Haye but if your gonna talk and expect a positive reaction back it up

 

:good A good point well put!! Ruiz gives David plenty of problems!! I wouldn't be amazed if David doesn't fight Ruiz (Through injury, of course) gets stripped of his belt and then still shouts for the klitschkos!! Which is the fight he wants, because that is the big pay-day and he knows his reign as champion is going to be brief!! I'm a fan of David Haye, and some of his shite is entertaining but I am also a realist and I fully appreciate that his crap will get right up the noses of a lot of people, which is exactly what he wants!! He doesn't care if people tune in to see him get hammered by a klitschko (Which he undoubtedly will) or if they're cheering their lungs out for him. All the money spends the same! And if he is still a champ when he fights one of those guys he will be in a healthy position regarding the promotion of the fight. The obvious fact is, Haye has been working on the promotion of a Klitschko fight for a year now. Most will agree that he is not going to win a fight with either brother and he probably knows it to, so he's looking to earn as much as he can for the beating he's got coming. Truth be told he had no right to be even fighting Valuev, but through his mouthing off at the Klitschkos he talked his way into a title shot. So his absolute bs has paid off, hasn't it?

 

Haye's bouts brought more interest than Vitali vs Arreola and Wladvs Chagaev? You're speaking relatively...the Arreola fight was HBO's highest rated non-ppv fight for 2009 and Ring recognized the Wlad/Chagaev matchup as the Ring Champ for the heavyweight division.

The Klitschkos just need the defining fights that lennox Lewis enjoyed throughout his career...Holyfield, Tyson, Briggs, Morrison.

Klitschkos were hoping that David Haye would possibly be a defining fight. Maybe the David haye failed fights will end up being part of the legacy for the Klitschkos...klitschkos are so dominant, not even the Cruiserweight Champ wants to fight them.

 

If Haye gets passed Ruiz, I'll bet 10-1 he'll fight one of the Klitschko's, that is if the organizations can keep out of it all

 

That's right...I was stating throughout the entire Klitschko/Haye faux-negotionations that Haye had no intention of fighting the Klitschkos at this time. He was doing this for name recognition the entire time...just trying to generate interest...it worked for the fact that he did receive a title shot against the weaker champ. But, when Haye gave a less than inspired performance, that interest just flew out the window...no one seems to be discussing Haye as a possible threat to either klitschko crown.

unfortunately in the minds of most boxing fans, including the intelligent ones, you're only as good as your last fight.

But, he has a chance for redemption by finally ridding the boxing world of Big John Ruiz. If he can do that in impressive style, he will be right back in the thick of things.:good

 

Haye did what he had to do (considering his broken hand), how many other Haye fights (assuming you have seen any other) have you ever seen hum 'run' in or even fight on the back foot?

 

Sad part of that is, he could have already proven all of his detractors wrong by fighting them this year. He has already had his opportunity at the expense of the Klitschkos, wasting both their time and money.

I'm not sure he gets another chance unless the public absolutely demands it...and after Hayes performance against Valuev, i'm not so sure the public will.

 

Fragomeni is the only other fight that comes to mind, and he ended up knocking that guy out.

But, Frag was only 5'9"...he will be fighting uphill against most heavyweights in the division today.

That might be a problem.

 

Knife crime truly is horrific, as is any sexual abuse!! As for the drinking, you may be onto something there. I appreciate your right to an opinion mate and some of the young of our nation truly are horrible *******s but that is not how we English all live our lives. All countries have serious problems, this is a boxing forum and I for one have no wish to criticise or insult our Atlantic cousins when I have young relatives fighting alongside Americans in Afghanistan. Maybe we should try to keep things in perspective?

 

Keep 'em coming!

 

He will, and I'll tell you why. Valuev makes everyone look bad. He made Holyfield, Donald, Barrett, Chagaev, and Ruiz look bad. Not because he's so good, but because the mans so enormous and sucks there isnt much you can do with someone a foot taller and a hundred pounds heavier.

Haye rocked the big man in the last round, and never got hurt once by the tallest, heaviest title holder in history, a guy neither Klitschko has fought. The public can forgive him for the crappy showing because most fans know Valuev is **** and sucks all action from a fight.

People will remember Haye for the Barrett bout, how fun it was, and for his trash talk and entertaining ways. Now with a win over a giant heavyweight and a title, whether that fight sucked majorly makes no difference, because people will wonder how he'll do with someone his own size now---Ruiz is his mandatory and certainly make a fight of it.

When the man talks, people listen, even the haters.

 

I don't know about that, brother...Chagaev looked very good in a winning effort against Valuev...he used the entire ring while scoring effectively thoughout the fight, creating the blueprint that your boy Haye used.

With Haye's power and ability, most felt that he could dispose of the giant in much easier and convincing fashion, i.e. more impressively than Chagaev. But, he let a lot of people down by winning a very close and controversial decision...he didn't look impressive...i felt that if he had put his foot on the gas earlier in the fight, he could have knocked Valuev out.

He didn't and now the air is dissipating out of his promotional balloon.

But, like i said, if he can rid the boxing world of the cancer named John Ruiz, he can earn more exciting match-ups and possibly fight tougher opponents like Chambers, Povetkin, Thompson, or Arreola.

The heavyweight division hasn't been as bad as most claim...and I have a feeling that if your boy haye fights enough opponents in the top ten, you'll begin to agree.

 

IMO, the Page's, Dokes', Coetzee's, etc of the 1980's would have feasted on the division of today, but thats just me.