David Haye - Vitali Klitschko....Does anyone else fear revisionism after the fight?

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  1. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, I'm speaking about those haters that would laugh off Haye's chance pre-match then should he pull off a huge upset victory, quickly try to discredit the win by bringing up the following facts....

    1. Vitali had fought only once in 4 years, assuming he does not face JC Gomez.

    2. Vitali had never beaten that great competition anyway and was most famous for losing while leading on the cards to Lennox Lewis.

    3. Vitali was injury prone.

    4. Vitali was 38.

    We saw a similar response after Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu....prior to the match, few gave Hatton a real chance of beating Kostya. After he did just that, people began discrediting the win citing Tsyzu's lack of rounds over the past 3 years and the fact that he was in his mid 30s and had suffered a few injuries....

    Could the same happen with Haye should he shock the majority and beat Vitali?

    I think it might....your thoughts?
     
  2. mr. magoo

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    I think for some, it will be inevitable. Anytime an older fighter who is on the comeback trail loses to a younger premier fighter, the argument of old age is always brought into the equation.

    Now here is the flipside, what if Vitali ends up beating Haye? Are people going to say things like:

    1. Haye was not a real heavyweight

    2. Haye had not fought enough matches at heavyweight

    3. Haye was too green

    4. Vitali cought him with a lucky punch
     
  3. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Almost certainly. What I'd say is that many people are picking Vitali based on those factors....so if Haye were to defy them, then they really ought not to have any grounds for tearing down his win over Vitali.

    Yet this happens time and time again....It's hypocritical, and leads to people never being satisfied or happy no matter what a fighter accomplishes.

    This is why I thought I'd raise this issue now....just so that if it does occur, that Haye gets the full credit he deserves for a huge, shock win.
     
  4. David UK

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    You simply have to admire David Haye. Most boxers are just talk, but Haye really backs up what he says and always has done.

    How many other fighters(especially American ones) would have travelled to France to fight a Frenchman, managed by Don King on a Don King show, when he could have easily picked up either WBO or IBF belts in the UK? Almost none I'd say.
     
  5. DINAMITA

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    Such excuses would have absolutely zero validity. Vitali is a magnificent heavyweight with an iron chin. He wiped out the generally recognized number 2 hw in the world in his last fight. If a former cruiserweight can defeat him in only his 2nd fight at hw, it would be a staggering achievement and one of the greatest wins of recent years, and no amount of excuses will be able to change that.

    I think Haye could beat Wlad but not Vitali.
     
  6. mr. magoo

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    Incidently, I think Haye is the one who should win. He is in top physical shape, has deadly handspeed, good skills and can hit very hard ( probably even at heavyweight ). Although Vitali's win over Peter was one that warrants great recognition, the simple fact of the matter is, David Haye is in a much higher class than Peter, and probably highter than Vitali at this point.
     
  7. PolishPummler

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    No matter who wins it will go both ways with the revisionsists.
     
  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    True enough.
     
  9. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I fully agree, which is why I'm making this thread. I want their feeble excuses and revisionist bull**** to have no merit whatsoever by getting it out of the way PRIOR to the fight....which the vast majority feel that Haye will lose.

    I've seen it too many times on here, with Hatton-Tsyzu, Calzaghe-Lacy and most recently, DLH - Pac where many pick the favourite and then discredit the winner who defied all their expectations and proved their reasoning for picking the other guy utterly wrong!

    I feel it's something that has to be addressed.
     
  10. Kojiro

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    I wouldn't be too afraid of that. If Haye fought Wlad and somehow won, we would sure get plenty of "now fight someone who doesn't have a glass chin" threads. However, Vitaly is regarded as a better fighter and is certainly much tougher and more dangerous for Haye than Wlad. If Haye beats Vitali he'll get the credit.

    Vitali won't get the credit for beating Haye, though.
     
  11. Beatboxer

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    Interesting perspective. It's good that your bringing this up before the fight and gives such an opinion validity should it transpire that Haye does win :good
     
  12. DINAMITA

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    I saw a similar thing happen with Hatton-Tszyu and Pac-Oscar (which I also thought had zero validity, Tszyu was p4p#3 at the time, and Oscar was a bit weight-drained but had shown no signs of being shot prior to that fight and he still had great size advantages), but I never saw it happen re Calzaghe-Lacy. How did anyone manage to discredit that win? Lacy hadn't been inactive for a long time, he wasn't weight-drained, he was peak/prime - what was the excuse? He was severely out of his depth and got a beating by a vastly superior fighter, I don't know how that can be excused, it was as black and white as it comes.

    If Haye beats either Klitschko, there can be no excuses, it will be a sensation. I love Haye, I will be rooting for him.
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    I think it would be better for the sport if Haye wins. Boxing is in dire need of young, fresh talent. Its in need of an action packed heavyweight division. Haye beating Klitschko would be a good start in the right direction, and furthermore would increase our chances of seeing a unification of the titles.
     
  14. Beeston Brawler

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    It would certainly see a unification of the titles - because if Haye beats Vitali, Wlad will climb aboard and try to get revenge for his bro.

    They have both done it for each other in the past remember.
     
  15. Beatboxer

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    Well, I meant it in a slightly different way. The vast majority believed that Lacy was an unstoppable force, tearing through the SMW division, here on ESB. The big question was whether Lacy should stick around at SMW and wait for Taylor coming up or else go to LHW to face Tarver for after he disposed of Calzaghe, who was being treated as almost an afterthought....

    Then, in spite of defending Lacy's resume and his mediocre performance against Sheika, the many, many individuals that picked Lacy then used those very arguments as a basis to attack Calzaghe after he defied all their expectations....

    Now, if you were calling all these things before the fight, then you have to admit that such an opinion has validity in the context of what happened. The fact is they weren't and then acted like they were genuisues in hindsight....

    This annoys me and it is happened several times on here. Which is why I made this thread: should Haye pull off this feat, I want him to get the credit he will most certainly deserve, I don't want a bunch of irrational haters discredting something they never saw coming in the 1st place.