David Haye - Vitali Klitschko....Does anyone else fear revisionism after the fight?

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  1. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Would you say these things if Vitaly wins?

    Think about it, because if you will then this thread is hypocritical.
     
  2. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would give Vitali, a guy whom I like, as much credit as he deserves for the win. And that's a fair bit.

    He's fighting a guy that since his 'learning loss' has been on a role in the Cruiserweight division, beating guys like Frag, Mormeck and Maccarinelli all by knockout. He is clearly a very potent puncher, perhaps the hardest P4P hitter in the world today.

    He came up to HW, and destroyed both of his opponents very quickly including a decent trial horse in Monte Barrett.

    I would give Vitali credit for beating this guy.

    However, it cannot be denied that his two fights at Heavy do not give him an incredibly strong resume at the weight. People will therefore ask questions of Vitalis win, based on the fact that Haye does not have much of a record to speak of at HW.

    I'd say the risk-reward ratio is tilted firmly in Haye's favour. If he loses, well he took on the man I'd regard as the 2nd best HW in the World today, a monsterous man who is exceptionally hard to beat. If he wins, he becomes a mega star, a man who triumphed in a true David and Goliath confrontation.

    Vitali on the other hand, is taking on a dangerous young puncher, who is nonetheless largely untested at HW. He knows that he won't get huge credit for the win because of this fact, but he also knows that a Haye showdown will likely net him a decent amount of cash given his fanbase in England and also allows him to put this punk in his place.

    In answer to your question, overall I'd give Haye alot more credit for being able to beat Vitali than I would do vice versa. And that is the point at hand: Haye will have to overcome alot to win this fight and it would be sour grapes to the extreme if certain fans tried to revise the signficance of the win should it occur, having picked Vitali intially.

    That's what this thread is all about.
     
  3. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You'll get revisionism either which way really, it's just how people cope with a loss from their favoured fighter.

    All that emotion is part of the reason why you get a best handle on a fight's worth and a fighter's career well after it's finished.

    I think Haye is genuinely not scared of getting knocked out by Vitali. He sees the benefits to be gained, the attention and credit he'll have from taking the fight in the first place, the cash to be made.

    When you don't have that fear of losing, little holds you back. Haye knows that doors will open for him if he wins or loses (arguably more if he loses!)
     
  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Great post, I was thinking the same.
    When Haye beats Vitali, it will be...
    "Vitali was old and inactive etc etc."
    That is just the way ESB works.
     
  5. DINAMITA

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    What a pile of steaming horse**** this post is. Boxing is an entertainment. Wlad is ****ing boring to watch - unlike his brother. Why does sitting through very very dull fights mean you are a true fan of boxing? Yawn. You can hit and not be hit and still be exciting... if you are not frozen rigid with terror that your glass jaw might get shattered that is.
     
  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    :lol:

    Go get em.
     
  7. El Borracho

    El Borracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your fears seem to be misplaced
     
  8. jamel

    jamel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You yourself seem to give Haye little chance as you are saying it will be a massive upset victory if he wins.
    Frankly I see no chance for Haye. I listened to Haye's fight with Barrett on the radio and it sounded impressive. However upon actually seeing the fight later on youtube, I am very sceptical of Haye's chances against either Klitschko. I can appreciate Haye will pose a more complex problem to Vitali than Sam Peter did. However I do think Haye will have a serious problem hitting Vitali cleanly on the chin and most certainly will not have the power to stop him IMO. I do not see Haye having the speed and accuracy required to outbox Vitali without leaving himself open which will lead to the inevitable stoppage. So to me either way Haye cannot win either on pts or by KO, whether he fights aggressively or in a controlled manner. I think Haye's chances depend solely upon one factor and that is whether Vitali's body holds up, and I feel that this is where the four year layoff has actually done him some good. Vitali seems to have recuperated in this time and seems to have overcome the injury setbacks and looks set to continue his domination alongside his brother.
     
  9. Beatboxer

    Beatboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So if he defies your expectations then he deserves great credit in that case yes?
     
  10. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    haye has balls...but why would americans do that knowing they will more than likely get ****ed on a dec.
     
  11. Ashstrodamus

    Ashstrodamus Rodney Dangerfield of ESB Full Member

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    Haye is a "live contender" and that's it. By all rights the Klits are doctors, mainly nutritionists, so they are a very healthy crop. Roy Jones Jr. vs John Ruiz was a very good lesson on speed. I thought Ruiz would whip Jones because of the size advantage. Well, I was wrong. The speed was the factor but the fight would have turned around in the 2nd half if Randy Neuman wasn't the referee. He was clearly paid off, IMO. Ruiz was doing good body work but the ref was breaking them up so prematurely.
     
  12. Mohak

    Mohak RIP Smokin' Joe Full Member

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    It's ESB tradition for people to talk bollocks, then when they're disproven backtrack.
     
  13. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    So... Vitali standing at range, beating on Peter for round after round, with no threat whatsoever coming from Peter... and the fight ending in 9 rounds without any real exciting action other than Peter just getting punched in the face.... was so much more exciting than Wlad's recent fights? That tells me something. Either A, you simply hate Wlad. Or B, you didn't EXPECT Vitali to beat Peter like that, so it made it exciting for you, and you obviously expect Wlad to be a great fighter, so it isn't exciting when he simply dominates his opponents and stops them.

    Either way, your point of view is baseless.
     
  14. Ashstrodamus

    Ashstrodamus Rodney Dangerfield of ESB Full Member

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    No matter how much anyone dislikes it, prime Golota was the most exciting heavy in the past 15 years. Golota wasted his prime with mental instability.
     
  15. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    If Haye beats Vitali fair n' square in a good fight, he has to be the goods. I'll hop right onto the Haye bandwagon. If he gets some kinda' potshot runnning around sd, I'll respect his abilities and acknowledge his win, but he won't gain a fan.