They're both ATG's and as history has shown us when two ATG's face up either man can win and in this fight the stats indicate that Haye will be the victor.
Haye an ATG HW if beating Ruiz, Barrett, and slow as **** Valuev makes you an ATG, then Ibragimov must be an ATG for beating Briggs, Holyfield and Ahunanya and not getting KO'd by Wlad
Haye is an ATG CW, that's unquestionable. Okay then let's see you name 10 other ATG's at CW ahead of Haye. Now that you've failed to do that let's rememeber that the CW's Haye crushed were all bigger and stronger than the heavies Joe had to fight, Enzo was 6'4 for Christ sake.
But everybody Frazier fought apart from Foreman would be considered light heavies or crusiers now. Even his best win a certain Ali was a blown up light heavy as well.
HW's back then were smaller, if they were to fight today they'd still be better than the current crop of 6'5 240 lbs "warriors" put Frazier in the ring with anyone from the top 10 today, he'd give a great showing and would still beat most of them Ali was 6'3, weighed 215 lbs in the Frazier fight that he lost, this means he was a blown up? :huh
This same thread is up at the Brit forum, but here's the twist; There are less deluded Haye voters (and %) over there then over here! Smokin' Joe smokes his ass!