David haye vs robert helinuis right now who wins and why>>>????

Wait a minute. It wasn't 5 years ago that people were calling Brewster a machine because he was in there when Wlad passed out.

Levin is a bad mofo when he decides he is a professional boxer, similar to Corrie Sanders.

Neither of those guys are world beaters, but cmon, both are better that the likes of Audley Harrison, or for that matter the first 20 opponents of Valuev and Haye.

 

not better than Carl Thompson, Chitown..

 

Disagree here.

Helenius has already mixed it up with Brewster, who is a big puncher by any standards, and Greg Toney, who is at least a big puncher amongst C level guys. Helnius has shwon no sings of having the kind of chin to be a knock waiting to happen.

Plus he uses his size and jab well.

I would say that Haye is the knock out wainting to happen.

 

Everybody knows that already.:yep

that is why his Fans are so Agressive and angry.

 

Carl Thompson was a badass mofo. And he was what, 40 yo when he basted Haye?

Like I said, Haye beats Helenius today, but tomorrow MIGHT show a more physically gifted RH, and a NEW HW champion.

 

And Audley is the straight left that's gonna happen to him.:deal

 

Oh dear. You obviously haven't seen the fight, or know anything about Abdoul. If you had actually seen the fight you would realise that Haye was blatently, and deliberately, going 12 rounds for whatever reason - probably partly to prove to the fans and himself that he could.

Haye himself said that he only wanted to throw a maximum of 3 right hands a round, he wanted to win it with the jab and not take any unneccessary shots. However, the low workrate he displayed the whole fight it meant that it didn't really prove much at all. Even in the late rounds his work rate was lower, and he was thowing with less venom, than he does usually - if you had seen the fight you would know this.

Even if Haye had actually been trying for the KO then you totally misrepresented Abdoul by labelling him a small CW, when the most important thing is that despite the fact that he has now lost 18 times he has only been stopped once (by Krzysztof Wlodarczyk in the 12th round), and has lost to 8 CWs at the 200 limit and none of them have stopped him (including Marco Huck, Rudolph Kraj, Yuan Pablo Hernandez). The fact that he went 59 rounds between Haye, Huck, Kraj, Hernandez and Wlodarczyk with only one TKO shows that he was at least durable. So it is rediculous to expect someone to KO him who is not even trying to do that.

 

so watch the Pulev vs Guinn fight and you´ll get it
Guinn never got stopped either and fought good comp too
sure i´ve that fight still on tape somewhere and Haye did try to KO Abdoul in the late rounds
and Abdoul is undersized for a cruiser

 

Everything I have seen of Helenius, I just get the sense he is so slow in every department that Haye would hit him early with a shot he wouldn't even see and get put down. Brewster barely missed on a couple shots I feel would have rocked Helenius.

But yea, Haye's chin is definitely way more questionable.

 

You seen the ismail fight? haye didnt try ending at any point. worst performance i seen him in.

noone claims he brutally kayoed ruiz

 

It's irrelevant. It does not matter how similar any other fight in the history of boxing is. The bottom line is that Haye wanted 12 rounds under his belt and he got it. Haye never fought like this before and never fought like this again. It's a one off. If you don't get that then you don't know Haye's career and are guessing, or you are deliberately making things up.

Barely. He threw a few harder shots because the crowd began booing, he was just picking his shots. Surely you can understand that throwing a few big hard shots per round does not constitute trying to KO your opponent above all else. Haye was happy to go 12, and if one of his rare big shots stopped his opponent then so be it - he was simply not going for the KO. Rewatch the fight, though it may bore you to death because the action was so slow.

Irrelevant. His durability is the only thing that is relevant to what we are discussing. He could be 5ft tall and weigh 120lbs and if nobody could KO him (including other very good CWs) then that is what he should be judged by.

 

nope read the thread then come back
Haye did similar exhibition fights like Pulev vs Guinn was in the past and he did against Abdoul who was an undersized cruiser and not against a remotely solid heavy who has already beaten his next opponent.
also rewatch the Valuev fight if it doesnt bore you to death.:verysad

 

Very reasonable.

A lot of guys on these boards don't like Helenius because he was never a top tier guy at amatuer. I understand than, but this is the pros, and his strenghts- power, size, jab, and so far, chin, are more important here than his weknesses of speed, footwork, and punch variety. In fact, those skill sets remind you a lot of Vitaly Klit, who people also said was slow, lumbering, etc.

Helenius had had 13 fights, and has already worked his way up through decent C and B level guys like Gammer, Bidenko, Brewster, Olukun, and Greg Toney. Levin is next. Lets be honest that in today's heavyweight division, its not much of a jump to the top tier. Are Dimentrenko and Peter really going to challenge him all that much more?

Haye is one of the top 3-5 guys out there- I have to give him that. But the chin is not there, the stamina is still something of a question mark, and knock outs over Barret and Ruiz (who has not outright won a big fight ever) does not convince me that his power is special at heavy. Its real, to be sure, but I don't believe it will save him.

So if Helenius continues to do what he is doing, I see this as a much more even fight than a lot of people think.

 

Helenius would be knocked into next millenium by Peter. His defense needs serious work, the kindof work that only comes with experience.

He needs more fights, period. But not moving backwards like the likes of Haye, Adamek, and Povetkin.

If he takes Levin out. KTFO, then steps up into the top 15 with 2-3 quality wins inside the top 15 Ill take him over Haye, because that would mean his feet and defense are good enough to exist in that A level class.

 

His size and his jab more or less are his defense, and imo, it would be enough to serve a lot of trouble to Peter.

To me, very similar to the Brewster fight.