David Haye...Watch out for him

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Im working on several highlight videos right now, including one of David Haye. While organizing the footage, I had a chance to watch almost every single one of his fights. I didnt watch each fight in it's entirety, but I watched at least a few rounds.


    Since having done so, I have come to the conclusion that Haye is very underrated in America.

    STRENGTHS:

    - Power
    - Counters
    - Composure


    WEAKNESSES:

    - Chin
    - Urgency
    - Balance



    I knew Haye had power, but WOW. I didn't know he had this kind of power. He knocks out almost every opponent he faces. If he doesn't, he at least knocks them down (several times in a lot of fights). He has an explosive jab. When he moved up to heavyweight for his first fight, there was a lot of talk about how he would handle the power and strength of his opponent. When the fight started, Haye was being stalked for about a minute without throwing a punch. The other guy was looking extremely confident. Haye landed a jab, that was so beautiful, it changed the course of the fight right then and there. The minute that guy felt Haye's jab, Haye was the boss. This moment really really impressed me. The jab was just so clean and nice, and Haye delivered it as if he had a clear message intended.



    His competition has not been the greatest when you look at heavyweight boxing's history in it's entirety, however looking at todays competition, Haye has taken on some formidable fighters. And he usually knocks them down.



    WHY HE WILL NEVER BE A LEGEND:

    The weaknesses I had listed, are the three main reasons that Haye will never crack anyone's top 10 list ever. He gets knocked down a lot. To his credit, he always gets up fast, and it never bothers him. But you simply cannot put Haye in a ring with someone like Foreman or Frazier, and expect him to survive more than 4 rounds. His bad chin combined with his not so great balance, is a recipe for disaster against any ATG. Also his urgency, or lack of it, will hurt his legacy. I've seen him knock fighters down in the first 30 seconds of the fight numerous times, only to see him carry the fighter longer. After the Harrisson fight, he explained in the post fight interview that he carried Audley till round 3 because thats the round he told all his friends and family to bet on. Thats an awesome story, and in that case its neat. However in the average fight, he never ends the fight when he can. It's not only because he carries fighters, but he's also being extremely cautious because of his chin.



    HAYE vs. KLITSCHKO

    I think Haye can take any Klitschko right now. Haye's lack of balance is a big worry for him, however the Klitschko's have that same exact problem. To the Klitschko's credit, they're giants. Naturally theyr bodies can only be so balanced in this sport. Regardless of whose fault it is, nature or human, I think it would be the reason why Haye defeats them. I think the fight would be extremely sloppy. A lot of grabbing, pulling, pushing, and clinching in the midst of a wobbly legged fight. But I think Haye would catch Klitschko with his counter.



    HAYE'S STLYE

    The guys nickname should me "Dr. Counter". His entire stance is based on finding the counter. This is why he spreads his hands out. He encourages the opponent to throw a straight punch, and boom he catches them on the side of the head. He also uses a very Jones Jr esque style of raising his right hand to his head, and keeping his left covering his body.


    ADAM BOOTH

    Look out for his trainer as well. This guy is an excellent trainer. I can imagine when he's 60 years old training the next champ, we will remember the days when he coached David Haye



    SUMMARY

    I think he's an excellent fighter. If you have been ignoring him as an "okay fighter with good power." I urge you to abandon those thoughts and pay close attention to him. Unless God fixes his chin, and he improves his balance, he will never crack a top 15 list. But I'm telling you, watch carefully, because that man might be one of the most powerful punchers the division has seen since Foreman. I've seen him knock out bums faster than Tyson.


    If I could compare one fighter to Haye it would be Max Baer.

    Take Max Baer, make him more technically sound, take away some of his power and balance, and you got something very similar to Haye.


    Many legendary fighters are not labeled such until they are retired, or close to retiring. Don't make the same mistake with Haye. We have an exciting heavyweight fighters in the midst of a lackluster division. Don't miss out on whats right under your nose!


    When I finish my video, I'll post it here. I think some of the cynics here might even be overwhelmed by the images of all the knockdowns/knockouts he scores.
     
  2. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    You think one of his STRENGTHS are stamina?I strongly disagree man, he does not maintain power and speed nor technique or a game plan throughout 12 rounds. In fact I'd say that's his greatest weakness, more so than anything chin related. He gasses quickly, more than some of the fatter or bigger guys in the division and that's bad for a guy with his style. If I were him i'd be running miles and miles a week, sleeping in one of those high altitude chambers, doing anything I could to increase VO2 max because he is not a heavyweight with good stamina in the slightest...

    He has great athleticism and is a damned good puncher, but lack of a defined style, stamina will KILL him against the Kbros. He should fight Adamek or Solis or someone next instead of the Klitschkos because they will rock him.
     
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    You know what, your right. Compared to the very great fighters his stamina lacks. I think I was just basing that statement off his 3-4 late knockouts Ive seen, where he looked pretty good at the end. He TKO'd Ruiz in the 9th and that was I think his last fight before Audley.


    He doesn't move too much though even from the 1st round. But you can see in the late rounds he still can maneuver himself away with speed, unless hes been rocked. And his punches are still there
     
  4. McGrain

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    Yeah, that's really unfortunate...you did a really nice big post, but the thing that is going to stick out is that stamina shout, because it's basically the thing his people are most worried about.

    Even when he's in near total control of a fight, he gasses a little bit.




    I was also a wee bit worried about him post-KD against Ruiz...looked disorganised and shite.
     
  5. reznick

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    Yea your right, especially without context behind it, it does look bad being up there as his strength.
    And yea you gotta worry about Haye after every big shot he takes. He does his funny dances like Audley said. I think thats more his chin than stamina though

    edit: boom I changed it. Dont tell anyone
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Personally, I think his general style and skillset is not far off the '50s 'Murderer's', although he is nowhere near their skill level.

    What do you guys think?

    Also good analysis, I agreed with it.
     
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    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    I don't think he's concise enough for that... honorific. His style is too inefficient in terms of strategy AND technique. And to me when people mention the row the FIRST thing I think of is boxing skill and a cagey mentality, both of which I think Haye strongly lacks. So no, wat?
     
  9. McGrain

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    Row weren't always cagey, but they were always very very very difficult to fight.
     
  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Just his generally relaxed style of counter-punching. He is actually a very down to business counter-puncher when it comes to it.

    He tends to keep it at long range, dictating the tempo with good control of distance, and with feints and draws. He sets up counter-punches in this way and tends to fire off hard shots as counters.

    I genuinely do think he is very 'old school'.
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I'm not saying he is a carbon copy, just very generally and broadly. In his MO and style.

    I think, now, especially at Heavy he has grown more cagey, and I think his skill level is some what underrated.

    Indeed.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Maybe. It's definitely a refreshing observation....he's just not difficult enough to fight though, he just doesn't have that fundamental untouchability (hahahaha is that **** a word) that made the row so terrifying to box, so intimidating.

    I understood why Mad Audley was able to talk himself into his being the favourite against Haye, what you need to do against him is no secret. He may be like them in terms of style, but so fundamentally unlike them in terms of proposition that it would be flat out impossible to ever see it.
     
  13. TheGreatA

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    I'd say that the Murderer's Row settled down to their style through experience while Haye has so far gotten away with what he does due to athleticism.
     
  14. Swarmer

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    He just seems too easily rattled/lacks composure when compared to those guys, I guess. I see some of the style similarities in a very broad sense, but none of the character, the experience, the mindset of those dudes. It's hard to describe but when you're watching Williams, Burley or somebody like Moore they look very collected and calm in there. something you can only get through tons of hard fought experience. And haye can and will never get that boxing EXP.
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I agree he will never be like them, he is far too flappible.