David Haye...Watch out for him

Well he had to fight Valuev because he was the beltholder.

Ruiz was a mandatory so no choice there also.

Harrison was an absolutely awfull choice for a challenger, but rather like the first defences of most belholders these days.

Lets be generous and just say that we expect a lot of him when he picks his next challenger.

 

ATHLETE is just someone who competes in a sport that requires a certain degree of physical effort of the human body, I guess. Just about every sport, then, with some exclusions, and debatable cases.
An athlete is a competitor.
Unless it's a reference to Track and Field specifically.

"Great" "athleticism" should be judged by if the athlete wins in one of those sports, or is at a level that near-matches the best ever.

 

He was the worst, by far.

 

I think Haye needs to fight Adamek or Povetkin before he's somewhat ready for a Klit.

 

It's usually a reference to track and field. I would hesitate to compare boxing to "athletics". You don't have to be a great "athlete", as in a track & field competitor, to compete in boxing.

In boxing terms "athleticism" usually means above average speed, reflexes, co-ordination. Much like how the word "chin" doesn't actually mean ones chin in boxing.

 

I don't think either of those fights would "ready" him for the Klitschko brothers though. If there was a 6'5 opponent who could box (not Harrison), that would prepare him.

In Haye's defense I've heard that he spars often with Tony Thompson, the tall southpaw who gave Wladimir minor difficulties early on. Thompson also praised Haye's ability, and said he would destroy Harrison which he did.

 

That's not "athleticism", that's speed, reflexes and co-ordination - three separate physical attributes. You can call them assets - "natural" or otherwise.
A good boxer is a good athlete, in the sense that he's good at his sport. If his speed, reflexes and co-ordination are below average, and he's still good, then he'd one hell of a athlete. It's unlikely though.

I know people talk a lot of **** in boxing, but since when has "Chin" NOT meant the ability to take a punch to the chin/jaw area ?

 

David Haye would ****ed Joe Frazier up in my opinion.

 

Is that if they fought now, or 2010 Haye against 1981 Frazier?

 

Saying a person has a "good chin" mainly means general punch resistance on the head, not only on the jaw, and certainly not a good-looking jaw as it would in everyday use.

What is the context that the word "athleticism" is most used in boxing? When describing a fast boxer. Sure you can go against the grain and claim the word is being used wrongly, but it's pretty much commonplace nowadays and nothing is going to change it.

 

bull****. Frazier brings haye into deep water and drowns him

 

Haye's main problems are he is mentally fragile and he has a Glass Jaw. Not a good combination to have when you are talking about fighting the Klitschko Brothers. :deal

 

Moreover, Haye doesn't have the style, stamina, punch output or durability to create an upset imo.

You have to pressure Wlad to up the tempo and close the range. Make him uncomfortable and work inside where he likes to clinch. You cannot let current Wlad fight at his pace. Haye is only effective when countering and doesn't work on the inside at all (aside from rabbit punching). Wlad is too smart, quick and cautious to lose to Haye. He will break Haye down with that left jab and use it to push Haye around the ring in position for the right. Wlad is effective at using it as almost a 1/2 hook to do damage and move his oppoenent around. Haye will be relegated to winging single and wide power shots. He can also seriously fatigue Haye in the clinches. I thought Barrett and Ruiz were able to clearly outmuscle him inside at times.

Once Haye slows just a hair by round 3 or 4, Wlad will start to land and score a KO mid-rounds. I see this as another typical Wlad slapfest (think Sultan) with a blistering KO at the end which will leave his haters scrambling for more excuses and clamoring for the good ole' days :yep:yep

 

i aso think he has **** fundamentals along with his shaky chin and badd stamina. the bad balance comes from bad fundamentals. he holds his left way to low, doesnt go the body and cant throw combinations to save his life. i have never seen haye throw a combintaion apart from weak jab straight right. he has got by with fast and powerful punches. against the clits thats not enough. the power is impressive though, he seems to buzz someone up literally everytime he lands

 

Hayes once again being underrated on here. Quick hands, a good boxing brain, and power. He has all these qualities. And he has the balls to fight in enemy territory.

Theres plenty to dislike about Haye(loudmouth, Harrison fight etc), plenty to admire as well.