David Haye...Watch out for him

STRENGTHS:

- Composure

WEAKNESSES:

- Urgency

how does that work?:huh

 

He could be talking about a lack of urgency. That's how I felt watching the Valuev fight. It was closer than it had any right to be.

 

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It's a broad, almost meaningless term that dumbs down discussions of any sport. If you mean "hand speed", please say hand speed. If you mean stamina, then stamina... etc.

I especially like the contention I have seen that some champions, some undisputed champions, are not or were not "athletic".

 

Chagaev's first title defence was against Mat Skelton.

Valuevs first title defence was against Owen Beck

Even Vitally Klitschko took Danny Williams for his first title defence.

Now I am not defending any of these guys. Personaly I think they should kneel before a statue of Joe Louis, beat their heads against the floor, and apologize for dishonouring the remenants of his title.

It does seem to be common practice however for a beltholder to take a commonwealth grade oponent for his first title defence.

 

I think chin should mean chin/jaw punch resistance, as it always used to. Some fighters have had great chins, but were quite susceptible to being shook up by shots to the temples, and such distinctions have been duly noted by knowledgeable observers.
Since most fighters don't generally hit hard enough to score KOs with shots to the temple or top of the head, the strength/weakness of the jaw/chin is considered more of a factor.

As Seamus says, it's use is so vague and muddled, it's rendered meaningless.
I don't think there's one standard interpretation of which physical assets it's used to described. I think it's just one of those terms used to say this guy is better than the other, without having to back it up, a bit like the word "talented".

 

David Haye does not deserve to be mentioned in the same thread as Murderers row

 

I'd say that the term chin is on average used rather to describe the ability to take a punch to the head than a punch only on the chin. No one says a fighter has a "good temple" for example.

Personally I rather use "punch resistance" or "ability to take a punch" instead of the term "chin", but I don't always complain when other people use it as the term has become a part of boxing.

I don't see the problem with the word. I hesitate to compare boxing to "athletics", because while some form of athletic ability is required, toughness and mental capability go a long way.

It's best used especially when there is no doubt of a fighter's physical prowess, yet his technique, determination and toughness are still in question, with David Haye being a prime example.

This separates boxing and combat sports in general from most other sports. Surely some toughness is required even in playing basketball or running a hundred metre sprint when you do it at top level, but not like in boxing. You pay a physical price for every mistake. The evolution of athletes as seen in other sports does not necessarily concern boxing.

 

Yes, make sure you watch out for David Haye because the last time out he took us all for mugs. The Harrison fight was a complete set up. To say it was merely an easy first defence gives Haye far too much credit.

Harrison and Haye have long been good friends, right? And we all know that Harrison is going nowhere with his career at its end.

This fight provided Harrison with a final big payday and it helped keep Haye away from legitimate, competetive heavyweights. On top of the £10 million gate they also cleaned up on some suspect 3rd round betting.

Wake up! They cooked it up between them! They couldn't even make it look good! It stinks and its unforgivable.

David Haye. Worst heavyweight champ EVER!

 

As much as I dislike Haye and as little as I think of him, his career is not a complete work. He can hardly be deemed the worst champ ever, as his reign is not complete. He may surprise us yet.

 

Is this a put on?It must be.atsch

 

I think a lot of people here are underestimating how good Haye really is.

I am not saying that there is not a flaw in the package that will alow it to be unraveled, but in terms of his punching prowess and ring generalship, he absolutely is as good as his proponents claim.

 

Sky claims Haye is "the fastest since Ali".

 

He can punch.
But I can't comment on "ring generalship" or general skill until he's in a real fight.

His opposition at heavyweight has been ****. Luckily for him, one of those opponents held a 'world title'.

I'd put him in the top 6 British heavyweights of the last 30 years.