David Haye - Where does he rank?

anything subject like pound for pound lists or ATG lists are very subjective

so facts and figures dont tel, the story

the manner of the victory is what counts more than anything else

so even if Haye TKO 6 Wlad - it dont tell you how the fight really went or the greatness of Haye

just wait and see and watch the fight and see the performance to be able to judge how good a heavyweight haye is

 

right now i have him 7th in the hw division

 

currently,on the strength of being undisputed cruiser champ,he is top 7 perhaps 5 heavyweight.

above him ?
klit
klit
valuev
povetkin

you could argue that ruiz and chambers ought to be too.

he is still largely unproven at heavy, so top seven is fair.

 

watching setanta right now...turned on and bunce has a list of the currents heavyweights up...and he has haye at number 4..ahead of valuev...

now..i wish haye all the best in june..and i realise he is a former cruiser champ...but number 4 in a list of current heavys is just plain wrong.

 

Boxing Monthly have him at No.4 (behind Chagaev and the Klits), and I wouldn't really argue with that.

Povetkin also has a good shot at being ranked above him.

No.5 sounds about right to me.

 

What I mean was - when Roy Jones was at his his peak I and most other people rated his as pound for pound no 1.

There were other really good fighters about with impressive records at thre time like

Felix Trindad
Naseem Hamed
Marco Antonio Barrera
Lennox Lewis
Joe Calzaghe
Oscar De La Hoya

But Jones was rated the NO1 because his the level of quality of his performances and the manner of his victory's gave the impression he was the greatest fighter about

So to just say

Haye TKO 6 Wlad

does not tell you the level of his performance and the manner of his victory which is crucial when rating ATG lists

if statisics were all that counted - Sven Ottke would be the greatest

 

i really dont see the fuss with chageav. very ordinary,and injury/sick prone for me.

 

I disagree Stuey.

Not about the injury prone bit, obviously. But I think he is the most technically sound fighter in the division. The way he handled Valuev was masterful; he's a very good ring general. I like the lad.

 

In my heavyweight list based on what he's done? Somewhere in the top 20.

 

yet against skelton and ruiz (admittedly tough fighters tolook good against) he sucked balls.

 

About 30.

He's done nothing. How do you rank a guy thats done next to nothing. Monte Barrett? Who is Bonin?

 

But his body of work at CW has to be factored in, because past accomplishments for other fighters in lower divisions seem to have a bearing when they move up.

Plus, HW is a **** poor division.

 

it is easy to see why people would have haye above valuev - because valuev really is a joke with a joke career and is a joke world champion. he cant even hit hard. since all these 'lists' are subjective as is stated many a time on here, i dont see a problem with haye being rated above him.

i dont bother with lists myself as boxing is a head 2 head sport, not a league. one man can beat a man, who beat a man, who beat the first man. it really doesnt make sense to say 'i have him at 7'. maybe a better question would be 'who out of the top heavies would haye beat?' and even then you would have to clarify between: could, would, and favourite to.

but then again this is a boxing discussion forum and if it wasnt interesting i wouldnt log on... so... as you are...