David Haye Will Have Problems With Klitchko's Jab

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  1. h2hkiller

    h2hkiller Guest

    He depends on his head movement too much, was gassing slightly and has problems with people pressing him.

    That said, he's got fast and heavy hands and good overall movement and footwork. Some of the punches he landed on Ruiz would have killed lesser men.

    He's the most credible challenger to the brothers right now and if he gets in better shape than he is tonight, it could be the start of a very interesting heavyweight division.
     
  2. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've always thought Wlad's jab would be key too.

    However, haye has improved his upper body movement in recent fights, so I don't think it will be as successful as it would have been around the Macca/Barrett fights. He is moving with the punches better, so Klitschko's jab won't have the same effect any more.

    I do think the bigger thing for Haye, is to duck under Wlad's jab and fire off very quick punches. If he does that, I think he wins, because Klitschko struggles against darting attacks.
     
  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Probably not.

    His head-movement is non-existent. His defense is reflex based and his reflexes are not very good like some here think. His footwork is atrocious, his balance is poor, his movement is not fluid. He seems top tall. He needs to tighten up. He seems like a fighter from a backward time. This is not a display of progression or evolution in boxing. Maybe devolution.

    I like Haye but he has a lot to work on. I wish to see more variety in his punches and him to be a bit more unpredictable. He had almost a dead man in front of him, but he didn't go first. He needs to go first and press a bit more. I don't blame him since he has many flaws and doesn't want to get caught. His speed is very good for a HW (Not exceptional) and his power is definitely legit. Although for some odd reason the Sky Sport commentators think if he lands that Ruiz should've blown up or something. He's not George Foreman, but he can hit hard.

    Lastly, he is uncomfortable on the inside. That fortunately won't matter much against Klits although it could be an advantage.

    He needs to move his head more and to get past Wlad's jab.

    HE CAN NOT... I repeat CAN NOT beat Wlad by backing him and trying to counter. Can't beat Wlad on the outside like that. Haye needs to stand his ground and work on his balance. He could do it and get lucky but the odds are against him with that strategy. If he does that he needs to give explosives burst forward. Jab twice and then explode with a 1-2. Also he needs to go to the body more.
     
  4. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    well if wald is gonna rely so heavily on his jab then i think he's gonna have absolute hellacious problems with haye. with wlad, its a jab followed by a straight right with an occasional left hook. not exactly a large punch arsenal
     
  5. McGrain

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    No doubt, but Haye has improved in this area. What's interesting about him is that when it comes to the jab he is willing to ship them unless they are poison. This won't do with Wlad whose every jab is poison. Then again, Haye is putting Wlad is out with a lot of those shots that Ruiz shipped tonight.
     
  6. slo100

    slo100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good performance tonight but he clearly doesn't like to get hit, and quite frankly I see him getting hit earlier and more often than Wladimir if they fight, with that low guard and the quality of Wlads jab he'll be in a very uncomfortable place from the start of the first round.
     
  7. Jack

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    Agreed. Had Wlad taken the right hand that caused the knockdown, I think he'd get up but wouldn't see the end of the round.
     
  8. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Haye's odds go down after this fight. His defense is reflex-based and his reflexes are average at best. His footwork is atrocious. He has bad balance, and his movement has no fluidity. You can't back up and try playing counter-puncher to Wlad. He has to stand his ground. Improve his balance, and shot first with a jab and then throw combination. Not just a 1-2.

    Lastly, guys... Wlad knows how to clinch now.
     
  9. h2hkiller

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    His head movement is not Tysonesque but still quite good for a heavyweight. Not good enough to deal with Klitchko's methodical jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-jab-right but if he throws crisper combos and uses his hands to parry more, he could shake up the division.
     
  10. Leif Erikson

    Leif Erikson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Big problems, I concur. However, if Haye should get through with a big shot Wlad isn't going to be getting back up like Ruiz did. Klitschko must be a decent favourite but to dismiss Haye entirely would be dangerous.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Haye did look a little more mature in mopping up than has generally been the case. But it's still not beyond the realms for him to down Wlad then get taken out whilst swarming. There are many more ways for Wlad to win than Haye to win.
     
  12. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Did you see how many times Ruiz was jabbing Haye's head off in the early to mid rounds? Doubling and tripling it. Wlad is actually fast and punches hard.

    It's the combination of his lack of head-movement and hands way down that's disaster.
     
  13. digregorio1.

    digregorio1. Active Member Full Member

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    i think Wlads jab is a threat to Haye aswell becuz he is vulnerable to it as he keeps his hands low but just to throw this in about todays fight - his manager Booth pointed his poor defence out and said that it was becuz he hadnt sparred for the last 4 weeks of the training camp due to a cut he sustained and it affected the defensive side of preperation
     
  14. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Wlad doesn't pressure people he works behind his jab and occasionaly throw his right hand. Vitali may pressure him but will be caught with big shots in the process so I see him just jabbing often too. Haye has a chance to beat the Klitschkos but has to polish off a few things first.
     
  15. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    problem is Haye seems content on fighting going backwards at Heavyweight not sure if he is scared of the power or what but you are not going to beat Wlad like that. Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster all went right at Wlad moving forward not backwards. Haye will get chin checked doing that backwards crap against either Klitschko.