David Haye would beat prime Dempsey and prime Marciano

I don't think either would really do better against Wlad.

 

I said Ruiz's wins are on par with Sharkey's, they are. You don't have to be great to beat Sharkey or Willard, the worst fighters that beat both men are much worse than the worse fighters who beat Ruiz/Valuev

 

I don't, I'm picking him over Dempsey and making him a live threat to Rocky. If these fights actually happened people would think allot harder about them and not necessarily pick the ATG

 

Ruiz has beaten noone at all who even compares to wills and schmelling.

The notable opposition of sharkey is


Jack Sharkey 17-12-2 (5)


Weinert (x2), Johnson, Renault, Rojas, Gorman (x2), Risko (x2), Maloney (x2), Godfrey, Wills, Dempsey, Heeney, Delaney, De Kuh, Stribling, Loughran (x2), Scott, Schmelling (x2), Walker, Carnera (x2), Levinski, Winston, Louis (22)

Comparing the resume of ruiz and sharkey is honestly ridiculous.

 

Haye's more like Firpo, albeit with far better defense - but less than 1% of Firpo's heart.
A flailing amateurish fighter, no balance, throwing comical looping punches and falling over and stumbling.
That's when he's not retreating and stinking the place out.

I'm talking about nine-toed Hamburg Haye, though.

Obviously ten-toed Haye cleans house against all of 'em.

 

Holyfield doesn't compare to Schmelling and Wills? Sharkey didn't beat Schmelling though he got a gift decision, so that doesn't count. Wills was well past it and about 37 by the time he fought Sharkey. Ruiz beat Holyfield who is greater than Wills and Schmelling fighting a 3 fight series with him, beat Rahman (lineal champ), Tucker (ex-champ), Golota who most thought beat Byrd in his prior fight (ranked as high as top3 at his highest if memory serves me correct), arguably beat Valuev and Chagaev, Oquendo (robbed against Byrd in his prior fight). McCline is probably as good as Carnera. And if you're going to include losses through Jones Jr and Toney

No I don't think Ruiz is great but his resume easily holds up against Sharkey's

 

Even if what you say were true, Dempsey beat a prime 24 year-old Sharkey.
Haye beat a washed-up 38 year-old Ruiz.

 

So what you're saying is Sharkey was green and Dempsey still had to cheat to win while getting his ass handed to him?

 

Na he's saying Sharkey is a badass heavyweight and Ruiz wasn't....bottom line amigo

 

No the 2001 version of holyfield does not compare to the wills that sharkey beat. If you're on about performance and not result, sharkey's performance against dempsey and schmelling (first fight). And you just compared mccline to carnera? I don't know how you view boxing to come to the conclusions you do. Sharkey fought 22 men who'd been in the top ten at some point. Ruiz never faced the best heavyweights of his era.

If you think ruiz holds up to sharkey we're best off calling it quits now.

 

No, Sharkey wasn't green, he was in his prime.
Dempsey was past his prime.

Ruiz was past his prime.
Haye was in his prime.

If you want to argue that a 38 year-old heavyweight retread with a total of one win (over a nobody) in the last 21 months is on par with a "live" 24-year-old active winning-streak genuine #1 contender, then carry on. It's silly.

:good

 

Why do you think a 37yo Wills who would be KO'd in 4 in his next fight looking like a complete shell of himself is better than a Holyfield coming off winning 5rounds against Lennox Lewis and would go onto beat Rahman? For the record many thought Ruiz won the first Holyfield fight when Holyfield was still 37. Here is the shell of Wills that Uzcudun and Sharkey beat - if this isn't a shot fighter I don't know what is

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBOUmkoI44w[/ame]


Again Sharkey lost to Schmelling and was given a gift decision, he low blowed his way out of the first fight. If your giving him credit for that, you have to give Golota credit for the Bowe fights, who Ruiz beat

Sharkey's best legit win for me is probably Godfrey, but he was a very hot and cold fighter, or maybe Carnera, who also knocked him out. Neither are earth shattering wins and not better than Holyfield/Golota

Ruiz didn't fight the best of his era? He fought mostly top10 opponents over a 10 year period and has 12fights against world champions. He didn't fight Lennox/Klits/Byrd but Sharkey didn't face Tunney/Baer/Uzcudo/Hamas

There's a lack of consistancy in your criteria, you talk about how important resume is and then you rank Dempsey in your top10 despite his comparatively weak resume. And for some reason you think losses against ranked opponents improves a resume rather than making it worse - I mean you did just list losses as 'names'

 

Well, according to those that believe in such things, God is perfect. So was Rocky Marciano at 49-0.