David Haye's entire career has been smoke and mirrors

Yeah, I was mainly referring to your OP where you said his entire career has been smoke and mirrors.

Id change to that to the latter stages in his career. The majority of his career he was top Cruiserweight

 

Just once by that time.

A lot of people think Fury is the best HW about, and either before or after, never did what Haye did to Chisora. Surely the 2nd time Fury should have been more towards his prime and Chisora even more shot.

 

PLEASE tell us when these TWO fights Dyson Fury had with Chisora were, before Chisoras fight with Haye. It must of happened because you stated it twice.

It seems once again, that you can never let the facts get in the way of a little Haye hating.

 

Like him or loathe him... David Haye is a boxing legend.
Pushing himself towards world title fights and forcing the arm of challengers (Klitschko, Mormeck) through publicity and moving himself up the ranks throughout his career. Whether people liked that or not, it paid off for him to a certain extent.
I see positives in his last 2 fights and his next fight will Bellew. Forcing himself up the ranks whilst getting the British public interested in him again through a free-to-air channel. The Bellew fight will put to bed the myth that he is just a blown up Cruiserweight, and sticking it to Sky (Eddie Hearn)

 

Haye was never a "great" cruiserweight, he was never a GREAT anything.
He grabbed a legit world championship at that cruiserweight, and defended it once by unifying with Enzo M. Apart from that the best CWs he fought were probably Fragomeni and Carl Thompson, one of whom stopped him. His resume is thin at CW as well as HW.

His win over Mormeck was a good win but people forget Mormeck was KO'd by O'Neill Bell a couple of fights earlier, so it's not like Mormeck was some amazingly dominant champion at the time.
There were two of three leading CWs who were ahead of Enzo M. at the time, of course it was a natural fight to make in Britain at the time, but people made out Haye had "cleaned up" the cruiser division when in fact there were several better fighters.

Of course, I don't blame Haye for moving up to HW for huge money fights, but people distort the picture to make like he was unchallengeable at CW, a complete myth.

 

The English in my post is perfectly fine. The lies and falsehoods in yours, are not.

Still, keep making up lies and rewriting history to keep your little Haye hating agenda alive.

 

Fury dealt with Chisora a lot easier than Haye did. Haye Chisora was a tough battle while it lasted and Haye was blowing before he got the knockout. It was an impressive knockout no question.

But Fury played with Chisora in the second fight while in 1st gear. Just because it wasn't a brutal KO doesnt mean it wasn't the better performance. Chisora never landed a glove on Fury.

 

No, you are talking to someone who knows the facts.

You stated, TWICE, that Fury beat Chisora TWICE before Haye beat him at all.

Now any decent, intelligent forum poster would recognise they were in the wrong and correct their errors. Obviously you would rather deflect and ignore the facts. All you are doing is showing your ignorance and lack of boxing knowledge.

 

Another haye sheep here yesihaverm. I think the biggest problem is people dont quite realise how big a step up it is from cruiserweight to heavyweight. You can even see the difference when say middleweights move up to super etc. But with there being no maximum in the heavyweight division its a good bit harder to jump up and be as good.

Even with the guys he did fight....its becoming a bit of a rewriting of history. These guys were solid proven heavyweights. Near the end of the road mostly but they were still pretty much proven. The biggest point that people seem to miss when accusing him of the path of least resistance is...there really wasnt a lot of decent guys to fight back then much better than the guys he did fight. You had guys like eddie chambers in the top ten. Chagauv and povetkin had beaten no one of note at that point. Think povetkin was still fighting guys like firtha around 2009/10. The rest of the names were guys like valuev. Barrett. Ruiz. And klitchko. All guys he fought. Its not like it is now...where theres 5 or 6 fights out there that would be big challenges for him. The klitchko,s basically ruled against guys that werent very good back then. When it started to get a bit hotter he fought chisora who is actually a half decent fighter then was due to fight fury before the injury. Meanwhile trying to get a fight against the other klitchko i think it was.

As a sidenote...watch the mormeck v haye fight if you get the chance. Mormeck was a class fighter...pushed haye a bit in that fight. To go to his own backyard and knock him out was a good achievement. Even mcaranelli he was on a half decent run at the time...haye pretty much demolished him in 2.

Think hayes something like 26 k/o,s in 28 fights. Bearing in mind they fought to a gameplan against both valuev and klitchko...pretty much anyone hes ever tried to knock out he has. Just maybe that little bit too small to be a top heavyweight. But would have loved to have seen him if he was naturally big enough for it...personally think he would have ended the klitchko reign without too much trouble. Just too small and klitchko was too good at using his considerable height/reach advantage in the end.

 

There was Cunningham with the IBF but that was about it. I would have liked to have seen him in with USS but most other fights at 200lbs would have been a waste of time really. That's not to celebrate his run at heavyweight but rather point out that Mormeck, Mack and Cunningham was all there really was that would have picked up significant interest at the time.